David's theory of evolution: God's error corrections II (Evolution)

by dhw, Wednesday, October 21, 2020, 10:19 (43 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: You are simply denying how evolution happened. Remember I designate God as creating evolution as the designer.

dhw: For the thousandth time, I am happy for argument’s sake to accept that God created evolution as the designer. I do not accept that evolution means he directly designed every life form, econiche etc. or that every life form, econiche etc. was “part of the goal of evolving humans”.

DAVID: Your non-sequitor reply implies God the designer did nothing. What did your God do?

You know perfectly well that my own (theistic) proposal is that your God would have designed the mechanism (cellular intelligence) which led to the evolution of every single species that ever lived, including humans. Your non-sequitur reply leaves out my objection to your theory, as below:

dhw: Once more: I am bewildered by your fixed belief that he directly designed every single twig of the bush “as part of the goal of evolving humans” when you yourself agree that 99% of them had no connection with humans, "each step was self-sufficient", and “extinct life plays no role in current time”.

DAVID: Your same chopped up view of evolution, which really is a continuum, each step following the last. In that sense, over much time humans are directly related to bacteria.

"In that sense", EVERY species is related to bacteria over time, but NOT directly! Firstly, you keep omitting your belief that your God directly designed every species, and extinct life plays no part in current time. And secondly, for your anthropocentric theory to be true, the brontosaurus would have to be “directly related” to humans. By your own explicit admission, it isn’t! You wrote: "Of course the brontosaurus is not directly connected to us".So yet again, why did your God directly design it if his only goal was to directly design H. sapiens?

dhw: Evolution is millions of series branching off in all directions, 99% of them leading to nowhere. That is why it makes no sense to claim that your God designed them all as “part of the goal of evolving humans”.

DAVID: There may be many branches for food supply, but each new stage has increased complexity with the pinnacle reached in our brain.

More dodging. That does not mean that your God directly designed every organism in every stage as “part of the goal of evolving humans”. See above.

DAVID: In your view early evolution is totally unrelated to the present living organisms.

Where did you get that from? Look at your own statement: “extinct life plays no role in current times”. EXTINCT LIFE! For those of us who believe in common descent, every living organism is descended from bacteria. So how does that come to mean that every EXTINCT organism was part of the goal of evolving (= specially designing) humans (plus their food supply)?

DAVID: Again your weird view evolution is discontinuous with no connection between earlier less complex forms and later very complex forms. Again, bacteria are our great grandparents. Have you forgotten your championship of Shapiro using bacteria as an explanation of advancing speciation?

All forms are/were connected with bacteria, but they all branched off in different directions. They did not proceed in a continuum from bacteria to humans and “Extinct life plays no role in current times.” Shapiro uses bacteria to demonstrate the intelligence of the cell, which he believes is the mechanism that has led to every single organism that ever lived, including the brontosaurus. So how does this theory prove that your God designed the brontosaurus as part of the goal of evolving (= specially designing) humans?

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