Back to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by dhw, Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 10:42 (1527 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: Purposes ARE reasons!

DAVID: What!!! Each purpose comes from reasoning behind it.

dhw: You keep telling us that his one and only purpose or reason for creating life was to create H. sapiens plus food supply. You refuse to discuss his purpose or reason for wanting to create H. sapiens plus food supply, and you cannot tell us the purpose or reason for his direct design of millions of non-human life forms etc. when you say his only purpose or reason for designing life was to design H. sapiens.

DAVID: Flogging the same dead horse. We can only guess at the reasons for His choices.

God’s purposes are the reasons for his actions. Yes, we can only guess at his purposes/reasons. Your combination of guesses makes no sense even to you, and so you claim that God’s logic is the same as ours but we can’t know what it is. We keep flogging the horse because you keep refusing to acknowledge that it is dead, i.e. that you cannot find a logical link between your premises.

dhw: You have agreed that your God probably has thought patterns and emotions and other attributes similar to our own. How do you know that your God does not enjoy his own creativity, does experiments and/or gets new ideas, and why is this wishy-washy?

DAVID: I can accept God enjoys His accomplishments. Experimentation and new ideas, purely human.

Enjoyment is also human, but at least it’s a start. Maybe instead of the nonsensical combination of premises above, your God designed 3.X billion years’ worth of non-human life forms, natural wonders etc. for his own enjoyment, and not as “part of the goal of evolving humans”. Wouldn’t you agree that enjoyment is a purpose in itself?

(I have omitted the irrelevant discussion concerning Genesis.)

DAVID: Your objection is to my conclusion God chose to evolve (design) us from a start with bacteria. Your dogged persistence has forced me to return to an old piece of evidence. God chooses evolution in all He does: Big Bang evolves into our universe. The Milky Way appears, grows and evolves, to allow an Earth to be in a safe spot. The Earth evolves especially after life appears. Life appears and evolves. God's pattern of creation clearly is by evolution

If God exists, none of this is in dispute! As usual, you pick on premises which are perfectly logical and leave out the premises that ARE in dispute! And so we keep flogging the horse. The dispute begins here:

DAVID: Doesn't that tell you God chose to evolve us from His habit pattern? And I don't know the reasons for that pattern. I analyze God's actions from the facts we have, and no further.

God chose to evolve ALL life forms from what you call his “habit pattern”. Here yet again are the premises which are NOT analysed from the facts we have but are pure speculation and when combined form an illogical pattern: 1) God is all powerful; 2) Your concept of evolution entails God directly designing all life forms, econiches, natural wonders etc. either by preprogramming or by dabbling. (I note that you have quietly dropped your claim that you never said he directly designed all these things.); 3) God’s one and only purpose was to design H. sapiens plus food supply. The question which you cannot answer is why an all-powerful God whose only purpose is to design H. sapiens would first have designed millions of life forms etc. that had nothing to do with H. sapiens. You cannot answer, but this is your fixed belief from which you will not budge. You also reject any logical alternatives on the grounds that they endow God with thought patterns or other attributes though you agree he probably has them. This rejection is also illogical. We really ought to leave it at that.