Back to David's theory of evolution: God's errors (Evolution)

by David Turell @, Saturday, August 01, 2020, 15:15 (84 days ago) @ dhw

For the sake of brevity, I will only reproduce and answer your responses to my last post.

DAVID: Your total confusion about God involves when God acts and when He doesn't. During evolution prior to our appearance He was in total control of evolution and all advancing changes. He allowed beneficial mistakes as stated above, which shows that even at a time of total control molecular mistakes could happen. Now we are in charge to handle molecular mistakes, but God is many times more powerful than we are. I have no idea why He is totally letting us handle it.

dhw: Bearing in mind your comment that “a mutational error favoured by natural selection or by God may have arranged for our human evolution”, and God “allows beneficial mistakes”, we now have a God who does NOT design the changes that cause evolution. He only allows them. But if he allows them, the inference is that he is able to stop them, whereas you have repeatedly told us that “he couldn’t stop the molecular errors”. And these contradictions are supposed to indicate "total control"! Furthermore, if God couldn’t stop the molecular errors prior to our arrival but we can stop them now (please remember that we have inherited the errors – they didn’t just start with us), we clearly know more about handling them than he did. I don't think the “total confusion” is mine.

Your analysis of what I presented shows your total lack of understanding. The molecular errors we are discussing are not during evolution, but errors we see in current living organisms. Errors that influenced evolutionary direction of course were allowed if God approved of them. Please concentrate on current errors


DAVID: Anyone reading this discussion will realize you are confused and not understanding what I present. Again, God in total control during evolution, correcting all errors and allowing ones that created beneficial changes. Now appears not active, although I concede He may be in ways we do not recognize. Key point: under His watch in evolution, the molecule, DNA, made mistakes. Horror of all horrors, He couldn't control the mistakes, but could allows the good ones and correct the others. Now, for His own reasons, which I do not know or want to guess at, we are in charge. I am consistent in my theorizing. Your comments and criticisms are all over the place, and I think generally confused.

dhw: Now you have your pre-sapiens God in total control, “correcting all errors” (although you tell us he couldn’t stop or control them and even provided backups which often didn’t work), and “allowing” the beneficial ones instead of directly designing (your normal theory) all the changes that lead to speciation. If we take into account your statement that “these biological accidents are chance events, accidents not a designers fault”, we have what to you really is the horror of horrors: pure Darwinism – evolution by means of random mutations and natural selection. Your God's role is simply to allow it to happen.

Still your total confusion about what I present. The subject is current errors and the fact that God knew molecules might make mistaken responses to directive stimuli and designed backup corrective mechanisms. In evolution obviously God was in total control of DNA code and its mutational changes..


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