David's theory of evolution: God's error corrections II (Evolution)

by David Turell @, Sunday, November 15, 2020, 18:30 (256 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Why do you dodge the point that God chose to evolve us as His method of creation? Your weird objection to my approach is that you fault God for spending all that time evolving us. That is my belief which your illogical rejection will never shake!!!

dhw: Why do you dodge the point that if your God exists he chose to evolve (by which you mean directly design) every species that ever lived, 99% of which had no connection with humans, although according to you humans were his only goal? For the umpteenth time, I am not faulting God! I am pointing out the utter illogicality of your theory that his goal was to create humans and so he spent “all that time” creating life forms that had nothing to do with humans.

Your confusion about my beliefs comes from the logic that starts from my conclusion God is in charge and created all the historical events we know. Therefore He created the process of evolution, and designed each new stage. I view your complaints as complaining about what God obviously did!! That is why we debate. For me God took all the time He wanted to bring us on the scene. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with my having no guess as to why He decided to produce us or why He chose that mechanism. We are here, dayenu. The wisdom of the ancient Hebrews on exhibit.

dhw: I criticize your theory because it is illogical. You acknowledge the logic of my theory - theistic version: God invented cellular intelligence to allow organisms to design their own modes of survival in response to changing conditions – but you criticize it because it “humanizes” your God, although you agree that he probably has thought patterns, emotions and other attributes similar to our own!

DAVID: Can't I convince you my belief will remain logical to me, even if you constantly reject it is your own mixed up thoughts about God. Your concept of God has never matched mine.

dhw: I keep asking you to explain the logic behind your belief that your God’s (ultimate) goal was to design humans and their food supply, and so he designed millions of non-human life forms and food supplies, 99% of which had no connection with humans. You have said that you have no idea why he chose to evolve (= directly design) humans in this way, and so I don’t know how you can claim that you find it logical. I offer you different theories, all of which you agree are logical but which you reject on the grounds that they “humanize” your God, although you believe he probably has thought patterns, emotions and other attributes similar to ours and “very well could think like us”. However, you are quite right that my own thoughts about your God (and his existence) are mixed up, in so far as I can find several different and perfectly logical explanations of life and evolution and am unable to choose between them.

My explanation is simple and above. All of your confusion comes from questioning the history and comes from an approach of, in your opinion, 'God shouldn't have done that way'. So your reasoning is that you object to what God chose to do as I see it. The difference between us causes this circular discussion to continue. I accept God as totally in charge, knows what He wants, and you are at "maybe".

dhw: Thank you for clarifying what you meant by “dhw confusion” on the other thread. We can close that one now.

You are welcome.

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