Back to David's theory of evolution: God's error corrections (Evolution)

by dhw, Monday, August 17, 2020, 09:08 (1557 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: The two genome “errors” that we are concerned with are those harmful ones that cause disease and death, and those beneficial ones that cause changes to the course of evolution (i.e. innovations).

DAVID: I need to try again. My basic premise is God is in charge of all creation including evolution. His goal is humans appearing. He codes the genome from the beginning of life and dabbles when He has to. He knows that protein living molecules make mistakes. So the genome mechanism has backup copy error editing to stop what it can.

Which errors are you referring to? Clearly he would not devise backup copy error editing to stop the random beneficial “errors” that change the course of evolution! And so we can only go back to your original statement that early on in evolution he put in backups related to disease and death, “so He was correcting as much as he could”. These are the “errors” you say he has now left us to try and correct, and the backups contradict your statement that he didn’t bother about this category of error during pre-sapiens evolution.

DAVID: During evolution most DNA mistakes are errors and are removed by dabbling. The few good mutations are obviously allowed and must be viewed as omissions in God's pre-planning, and fits my thought that the God of the Bible does not foresee everything perfectly as organisms adapt and climate evolves.

Until now you have constantly reiterated that all species were directly designed, and nothing was left to chance, and God knew precisely what he was doing from the very beginning. You reject any possibility of his having to experiment (i.e. not knowing everything from the start) but now you have him actually relying on chance to offer him unforeseen ways to help him achieve what you think was his goal.

DAVID: Adler's finding that most evolution is an automatic removal of DNA code must also be noted and supports my idea of pre-planning. The loss of code could be automatic or dabbles. Since all living organisms have an adaptive ability God must keep watch during evolution that everything is on course.

I thought this was Behe’s idea. It has nothing whatsoever to do with your brand new theory that speciation was NOT pre-planned, that your God relied on random mutations to “change the course of evolution”, and that his role was precisely the same as Darwin’s natural selection.

DAVID: That discussion does not cover errors while living, speciation not involved. That is what we observe now as I consider evolution over. All living organisms are DNA protected by copy error systems. These are very important because our cells are constantly dividing and reinventing us. The copy systems are the same systems present in evolution. During evolution they served duplicate roles, advancing evolution and protecting proper copying. Now the copy systems are still present to protect us from DNA copy diseases. God does not act now. We do the job, as well as we can. During evolution God worried about the course of evolution, not individual DNA diseases (dino cancer). This exposition fits errors into my theory system. (dhw's bold)

But it does not fit your God’s provision DURING evolution of backups for individual diseases, as above. And we must continue to emphasize that these backup systems are also full of errors, once again demonstrating your God’s lack of control over his copy system. You have quite rightly acknowledged my earlier point that the copy systems are the same. And so you have him able to destroy all the bad errors relating to evolution, but incapable of destroying all the bad errors relating to death and disease. Do you not regard this as odd?I’m sorry, but your theory is still full of contradictions, and you are creating an image of God that renders him less and less in control and more and more incompetent.