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by dhw, Monday, August 10, 2020, 08:53 (50 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Preceding eliminated as same old repetition between us.

The “preceding” concerns your illogical argument (ignoring the new errors theory) that your all-powerful God had only one purpose in mind – to design H. sapiens – but directly designed millions of other now extinct life forms, econiches, lifestyles, natural wonders etc. (which had nothing to do with humans) before designing the only thing he wanted to design. You say they were all “part of the goal of evolving humans”, and when asked to explain how, you say that they provided food for the humans who did not yet exist, or that you can’t be expected to know God’s reasons for the illogical method you are imposing on him for achieving his goal. This problem lies at the heart of your personal theory of evolution, and is not eliminated by your saying that it is eliminated.

dhw: I’m transferring the brain cells and plant immunity posts to this thread, as the subject is relevant both to your mixed-up views on evolution by direct design and by selected random mutations, and also to my theistic alternatives to your illogical theories.
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dhw: I regard these findings as support for the theory that cooperation between intelligent cells/cell communities is the key not only to brain expansion but also to the whole process of evolution. And to answer your usual question, their specific form of intelligence may have been designed by your God.

DAVID: And as usual I think God gave the cells all the instructions they needed to respond intelligently, with the appearance they are innately intelligent.

dhw: The only “instructions” you have ever come up with are in the form of a 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for every possible cellular development in life’s history, or your God personally dabbling with the relevant cells. Which of these alternative methods do you think your God uses to direct the communication between the cells, or is it possible that he gave them the MEANS to communicate intelligently?

DAVID: Cells communicate in an intelligent fashion using God's instructions implanted in them.

You have simply repeated your first comment and ignored my response. Please answer my question.

QUOTE: Plants recognize beneficial microbes and keep harmful ones out….

dhw: These plants appear to do exactly what - in your new, Darwinian "error theory" - you think your God does, and what Darwin thinks natural selection does: “mistakes” (mutations) arrive by chance, and your God or Nature selects the beneficial ones (your new theory); and here we have microbes arriving by chance and plants selecting the beneficial ones. I propose that this is a sign of plant (cellular) intelligence. And as your God is the maker of all things, he would have deliberately created their intelligence, just as he would have deliberately created the whole system that provides both beneficial and harmful “mutations” throughout the ever changing history of life on Earth. Intelligent design? Yes, if God exists he would have designed the intelligence which in turn would have designed organismal responses to randomly changing conditions and events.

DAVID: The bolded is my exact thought process except the 'intelligence' are intelligent instructions for the cells to have proper responses.

Since you simply repeat your non-answer, I suppose I’d better repeat my comment and question:

dhw: The only “instructions” you have ever come up with are in the form of a 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for every possible cellular development in life’s history, or your God personally dabbling with the relevant cells. Which of these alternative methods do you think your God uses to direct the communication between the cells, or is it possible that he gave them the MEANS to communicate intelligently?


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