David's theory of evolution: God's error corrections II (Evolution)

by dhw, Friday, October 16, 2020, 11:23 (1497 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: The continuum is the process not the organisms~!!!

dhw: Precisely. The continuum consists in organisms descending from other organisms and “advancing” in thousands of different directions, 99% of which have led to extinction. The process did NOT lead in the direction of one particular species. You have agreed that there is no connection between all the extinct species and humans, and there is no connection between their bush of food supplies and our own bush of food supplies. So same question: how can all the past bushes of life forms and food supplies, which have no connection with humans, have been “part of the goal of evolving (= directly designing) humans”?

DAVID: Again the same simple answer. God ,the Creator, chose to evolve us from bacteria. You can't argue with my belief, arrived at logically 30 years ago, from all the evidence I analyzed from an agnostic position. Advances in evolution absolutely requires a designer.

dhw: Your usual digression from the point at issue.We both believe in evolution, and if God exists, we both agree that he chose to “evolve” ALL multicellular species from bacteria. There is no point in my repeating my comment above, so I’ll restrict this post to one simple question, because last time I did that I got a straight answer: Please tell us what part the brontosaurus played in fulfilling “the goal of evolving (= directly designing) humans.”

DAVID: Simply another step in complexification as a part of the continuum of evolution of humans. You refuse to recognize how evolution works to produce a desired result from simple to complex. You want God to have created a direct line to humans with no branches. That would mean no food supply. When will you take all the history into account? We are discussing God's role in creation of evolution you agreed in red above. The brontosaurus is one of God's creations on the way

This time, no straight answer. Previously you wrote: “Of course the brontosaurus is not directly connected to us. […] Each step has a bush of food supply for all. Each step is self-sufficient at the time of that step.” Evolution is NOT the history of a continuum of humans. It is the history of countless life forms branching out in different directions, and 99% of these led to extinction. If each step was self-sufficient and 99% died out, you have 1% surviving. What has survived has provided the food supply for humans, so why did your God directly design (your theory) all the life forms that went extinct? You have asked exactly the right question. When will you take ALL the history into account?

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Under Extinction of earlier forms

QUOTE: "Their studies offer robust evidence that three Homo species—H. erectus, H. heidelbergensis, and H. neanderthalensis—lost a significant portion of their climatic niche just before going extinct.”

You could hardly have a clearer example of how changing conditions result in the ever changing bush of life. But I can't help wondering why your God would have designed all of these homos in the first place, if he only wanted to design H. sapiens. And did he deliberately change the environment in order to get rid of them? I can't help feeling that if God was in total control, as you always tell us, and only wanted H. sapiens, this all sounds like experimentation. The alternative would be a free-for-all, with ALL species coming and going according to their autonomous ability to cope with changing conditions. Any other explanation you can think of?