Back to David's theory of evolution: God's error corrections (Evolution)

by dhw, Thursday, August 06, 2020, 12:16 (1568 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: There is nothing at all surprising in the news that the cellular/molecular system that keeps us alive is riddled with potential and actual mistakes. Anyone who has ever been ill will know that things can go wrong. But you have explicitly told us that during evolution God could not stop or control the errors, and yet he could correct the errors if he wished. THAT is what surprises me. I do not understand how your God could correct errors which he could not stop or control.

DAVID: Please think through the obvious sequence of events: the DNA makes a mistake that God doesn't like so He corrects it. A mistake He likes He lets go forward. He doesn't control the molecular mistakes, but adapts His response to them. During evolution God is coding DNA and creating evolution.

But you keep telling us that he couldn’t stop or control the mistakes. If you can’t control them, how can you correct them? You are making it sound as if nothing now exists except beneficial errors! Or are you telling us that during evolution he liked nasty errors as well as nice ones, so he let them go forward too? In that case, if he had the ability to correct them but didn’t, he is responsible for their current existence.

dhw: And are you telling us that during pre-sapiens evolution, all animals – other than those that were eaten – died of old age?

DAVID: It is obvious death is builtin, first to make room for those arriving, but from many other causes, disease, accident, predators, mutational mistakes, etc.

dhw: That is not quite what you told us. You reminded us on 26 July that “progressive aging to cause death is purposely built in”. So your God deliberately designed all the “errors” that afflict old organisms. If he deliberately designed these, but corrected the other errors, all pre-human animals – apart from those killed by accident or predators – must have died of old age. How could they die from disease or mutational mistakes if he corrected or “destroyed” or “removed” all the bad mistakes?

DAVID: Total confusion. Do you look old? I do, Ageing is builtin to die 'naturally'. Yes there may b e an unidentifiable cause, or you may pass in your sleep, cause unknown. What He corrects is for the living during evolution.

Of course we age. And you have told us that death by old age was deliberately designed, whereas death by any other mutational change was accidental and random. So again: he must have “allowed” all those nasty mutational changes to survive although according to you he could have corrected them (although also according to you, he couldn’t control them). Total confusion indeed.

DAVID: The only blow is only your continual confusion. If God allowed a DNA mistake because it fit his plans, He is still in full control. And remember all bad mistakes by DNA were removed as I view God's role.

dhw: Once more, how can he be in full control when you tell us that he couldn’t stop the molecular errors, was correcting as much as he could, high speed reactions can have errors God can’t control, and he can’t stop molecular errors ? I wish you would reconsider your error-strewn theory of errors.

DAVID: You still cannot understand molecules are free to make mistakes, even if guided by instructions. God cannot ride herd on every molecule while it is in action in processes. I don't believe in the human Bible description that God can be in total control of everything down to the last living molecule in action.

I understand perfectly that molecules are free to make mistakes. For years now I have been proposing that cells in general are free not only to make mistakes but also to make the beneficial changes which for some reason you also regard as mistakes. Meanwhile, you have just told us (bolded above) that “He is still in full control”, but you don’t believe he can be “in total control”. Your theory is full of contradictions.