Back to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by dhw, Saturday, August 29, 2020, 11:55 (1545 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: We go 'round and 'round. I'll stick with God chose to evolve us, and the bush has everything to do with us as a support of us. You dodge my answer as unacceptable to you.

dhw: I do not dodge it. I ask you over and over again how 3.X billion years’ worth of specially designed bushes (econiches) could support us when we hadn’t yet arrived on the scene. Do please answer.

DAVID: My answer is what you refuse to accept: God evolved us from all that bush of life over 3.8 by. Obviously we are supported by the arrival of everything in this last stage.

I accept that we evolved from the bush of life. But as you very well know, and continue to gloss over, I do not accept that “evolve” means “directly design”, whereas you claim that he directly designed every single species, econiche, lifestyle, natural wonder etc., although his sole purpose for creating life was to specially design us! Obviously we are supported by the bush that provides our food, but that does not explain why he directly designed 3.X billion years’ worth of species and bushes before directly designing the only species and bush he wanted to design. You keep making me repeat all this, which is why we go round and round in circles. I’d rather you stuck to your original answer, which was that you had no idea.

dhw: I offer a variety of possible theistic interpretations of life’s history. They are not beliefs, but you always agree that they are logical. Only you have a fixed belief in a particular combination of what you call “guesses”, and it is the only combination that neither of us can explain logically.

DAVID: Again, all logical to me. God creates all of reality, and history tells us how. You want the 'why' of His choice of method, and logically there is no firm answer, just guesses, about which both of us has given opinions.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. I want the “why” of YOUR choice of method, i.e. YOUR guess that he had only one purpose (us), and directly designed 3.X billion years’ worth of non-humans and their bushes/econiches as “part of the goal of evolving [= directly designing] humans”.

Under “Balance of nature: importance of ecosystems underground"
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/08/hidden-webs-fungi-protect-some-forests-drought-...

DAVID: A different kind of ecosystem. Large parts of the bush of life are really interconnected webs of support. All necessary to support the massive populations now living in the confines of Earth. God's planning dhw doesn't recognize.

dhw: Thank you for another fascinating article, but what a shame you have to spoil these posts with such silly remarks. Of course I recognize that econiches are “interconnected webs of support”. What I do not recognize is (a) that every econiche in life’s history was specially designed as “part of God’s plan to evolve humans”, and (b) even if God exists, that he personally preprogrammed or dabbled every single interconnection in every single econiche for the last 3.8 billion years.

DAVID: Your comment is to the point you do not believe in God, and certainly do not view His works as I do.

All my proposals and comments are geared to the possibility that God exists. Please stop pretending that my agnosticism somehow justifies your illogical view of his works and your rejection of my alternative theories, which even you admit are logical.