Back to David's theory of evolution: God's error corrections (Evolution)

by David Turell @, Friday, September 11, 2020, 22:04 (17 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Mountain out of mole hill, ignoring the point that most lives are long and errorless.

dhw: I really don’t know why you raised the subject of “errors” if all you want us to do is ignore the errors. Those that result in untold suffering and death are the problem, and I’m sure you didn’t tell your young patients who were dying of cancer that they were making a mountain out of a molehill and they should only think about all the folk who were living till their nineties and would eventually die of old age.

I have inadvertently exposed your underlying bias. I remember your championship of catastrophe theories. You tend to always emphasize the dark side of reality. Errors are rare when the whole picture is analyzed. Note today's comment on DNA translation and error controls and your bleak outlook below:

dhw: Your idea of a “rational” explanation is to tell us that the errors your God could NOT successfully “edit” are a mere molehill, and we should only think of all those lucky people who die of old age. And it is you who have denigrated your God by telling us that he could not control the errors produced by the system he designed. You then changed your tune and tried to switch the subject to how well he has controlled them. Have you forgotten your own statement that he did the best he could, but some of his backups didn’t work and so he left it to us humans to correct what he couldn’t correct?

You interpreted my comments as denigration, showing your biased view. Thank you for this wonderful example of a bleak outlook on the marvelous miracle of life as designed by God. And as for our role, we are amazingly designed to step in for God!!! I don't need to repeat my approach in today's new entry on translation, etc.

dhw: Maybe this freedom was not accidental, unavoidable and in need of correction at all. Maybe it was what God wanted.

DAVID: Those 'free' molecules were exactly what God required to have a high-speed living system. I've explained. You've ignored or forgotten the point.

dhw: I have not forgotten it – I have used it to propose a theory different from yours. Instead of him designing a living system in which free molecules accidentally produced errors which he could not prevent, I suggest that he designed the system because he wanted the molecules to have the freedom to produce what you call the “errors”. And I have expanded this proposal (theistic version) not only to his giving molecules the freedom to be nice or nasty, but also to his giving cells the freedom in general to work out their own ways of improving their chances of survival, which would explain the vast variety of life forms, diseases, cures, failure to cure etc. without any talk of “errors" or your God’s inability to prevent them and to provide effective backups against some of the nasty ones etc. It would simply mean that he designed precisely what he wanted to design.

Wonderful example of not understanding or appreciating the system God gave us in living organisms. It is a distorted version of how God handled things as I see Him, full of purpose and direction. You have Him letting things dash about in all directions. It is obvious to me it is required to have the molecules have freedom of action while under strict rules of engagement. In one way your are inadvertently correct. God designed exactly the system He wanted, because He knew it had to be designed the way it is now.

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