Back to David's theory of evolution: God's errors (Evolution)

by David Turell @, Saturday, July 25, 2020, 19:02 (457 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: The bold did happen, remember!!! There are all sorts of backup systems at work, which show God recognized the problem as you note. But they, like the systems they try to monitor and correct, are also prone to molecular error. That is the nature of the beast. It is not God's fault, and I would say impossible to control by a better, more proficient, God.

dhw: I noted that this was your belief! And I noted that you believe God gave instructions on how to correct the errors he couldn’t correct, and these corrections were also subject to errors, and although he created the system from scratch, it wasn’t his fault, apart from those errors in the system that kill old people (and unavoidably kill young people), because those were deliberately designed.

The bold is true but ignores the fact that progressive aging to cause death is also purposely built in.

dhw: We all know that things go wrong! Your solution to the problem of “errors” by your God - which we might call a branch of theodicy - is to present him as having invented a system which he could not control (so somehow this means the errors were not his fault)…

DAVID: Note the bold! If He couldn't stop the molecular errors, then they are not His fault.

dhw: So if I invent a flying machine which crashes because of a technical error I can’t stop, you won’t blame me as you hurtle to oblivion.

A technical error is the designers fault!!! Like the MAX 737. These biological accidents are chance events, accidents not a designers fault.

DAVID: Our knowledge is not greater than His. Note your red colored comment. We have figured out how some of His system works and can tailor it by using CRISPR made by His bacteria. We have to use His life inventions to do anything, so He is obviously superior.

dhw: I don’t need to note my own comment! If we can correct errors he can’t correct, then we are smarter than he is. If he exists, I honestly DON’T think we could be smarter than him. But you keep emphasizing the incompetence of your all-powerful, all-knowing, always-in-control God, whereas I propose that he knew exactly what he was doing.

God is not incompetent and we are not smarter. God is not at work now and has left us in charge, with great brains to solve accidental problems, which we often can do. Your view of God is as weird as usual.

dhw: We should also remember that all these errors accumulated over thousands of millions of years of evolution (unless bacteria suffered from all the diseases now known to humankind!) and so the question must arise as to how and when these “safeguards” were actually installed? How could he have directly dabbled or provided the first cells with a 3.8-billion-year programme to correct errors he could not correct?

DAVID: I don't know when He recognized the problem during evolution, but I would guess quite early as we know of cell-splitting problems, which means bacteria could certainly have reproductive problems. Note the blue comment: He put in backups, so He was correcting as much as He could. It all bothers you more than me; surprising as I believe in him, and you don't. So it is your problem, not mine.

dhw: This has nothing whatsoever to do with belief in God and everything to do with your increasingly illogical interpretation of your God’s nature, intentions and methods. Bacteria’s possible reproduction problems are pretty limited compared to the number of diseases (“errors”) that have evolved in the course of the last 3.8 billion years, and I’m sorry, but pointing out that I am an agnostic does not provide an answer to the question in blue.

Your view of my presentations of God as illogical is due to your strange views about Him. I still believe in God despite my honest and logical presentation of biological problems that are not His fault. I am the one willing to show that God is not all-powerful and all-knowing and He can't stop molecular errors in a system He created, and you question me as if I am against God!! Unbelievable role reversals. Don't believe the God of the Bible.

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