David's theory of evolution: God's error corrections II (Evolution)

by dhw, Thursday, October 29, 2020, 08:36 (1484 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: My point is God designs new systems from existing ones. That is evolution.

dhw: You had used automatic cellular behaviour as evidence that only a designer (your God) could provide the necessary instructions. My point is that the same instructions would have been passed on by intelligent cells if they were the designers of the new system. And intelligent cells designing new systems from existing ones is also evolution. (But the original intelligent cells may have been designed by your God.)

DAVID: Note the only source for cellular intelligence you offer is God. So why are cells intelligent without God?

There you go again. Other possible but for me equally dubious sources are chance and some form of panpsychism. If your God exists, my proposal is that he would have given cells their AUTONOMOUS intelligence (as exemplified by human free will).

DAVID: We evolved from the past organisms and of course from the early primate groups. That group is our direct ancestors, but we go way back to bacteria! I view evolution of all branches part of God's design of evolution, and He decided what He needed to do.

dhw: Your reply blatantly avoids the question of how ALL branches of evolution could be “part of the goal of evolving [= directly designing] humans”. ALL branches of the bush go back to bacteria, but that does not make the brontosaurus or your dog or your horses our ancestors.

DAVID: Agreed, not directly, but all parts of the general system of evolving from bacteria into many branches of the giant bush.

At last we have agreement. We agree that ALL life forms evolved from bacteria, but we cannot say that ALL life forms have any direct connection to H. sapiens, and therefore it is absurd to say that all the extinct life forms were our ancestors, and since that was the only justification you could find for saying that they were all “part of the goal of evolving [= directly designing] humans”, we can now lay that section of your evolutionary theory to rest.

DAVID: The huge bush is energy supply for our giant population. Why do I have to keep repeating the obvious logic?

dhw: The huge bushes of the past do not supply one drop of energy for our giant population of the present:“extinct life plays no role in current time”.

DAVID: You are stating the obvious.

Thank you for acknowledging it. Perhaps now you will stop making such silly statements as: “God knew we would populate the Earth as He designed the entire bush of life for our food supply”.

DAVID: Evolution is a continuum of development over massive amounts of time, which you keep chopping up into separate unrelated compartments. The dinos ancestors and ours are bacteria!!!

Yes, evolution is a continuum of development, but what developed were millions of organisms that branched out in millions of different directions and, most importantly, by your admission they had no direct connection to humans. (“We are not in the brontosaurus branch.”) Therefore it is absurd to claim that the brontosaurus plus millions of other non-human life forms were our ancestors, and all of them were “part of the goal to evolve [= directly design] H. sapiens.”