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by David Turell @, Saturday, August 29, 2020, 17:39 (337 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: My answer is what you refuse to accept: God evolved us from all that bush of life over 3.8 by. Obviously we are supported by the arrival of everything in this last stage.

dhw: I accept that we evolved from the bush of life. But as you very well know, and continue to gloss over, I do not accept that “evolve” means “directly design”, whereas you claim that he directly designed every single species, econiche, lifestyle, natural wonder etc., although his sole purpose for creating life was to specially design us! Obviously we are supported by the bush that provides our food, but that does not explain why he directly designed 3.X billion years’ worth of species and bushes before directly designing the only species and bush he wanted to design. You keep making me repeat all this, which is why we go round and round in circles. I’d rather you stuck to your original answer, which was that you had no idea.

My 'no idea' revolves around only one issue clearly stated. I have 'no idea' why He chose to evolve us. We differ about God designing evolution. I have God in charge. You can stop circling but accepting our rigid differences.

dhw: I offer a variety of possible theistic interpretations of life’s history. They are not beliefs, but you always agree that they are logical. Only you have a fixed belief in a particular combination of what you call “guesses”, and it is the only combination that neither of us can explain logically.

DAVID: Again, all logical to me. God creates all of reality, and history tells us how. You want the 'why' of His choice of method, and logically there is no firm answer, just guesses, about which both of us has given opinions.

dhw: Wrong, wrong, wrong. I want the “why” of YOUR choice of method, i.e. YOUR guess that he had only one purpose (us), and directly designed 3.X billion years’ worth of non-humans and their bushes/econiches as “part of the goal of evolving [= directly designing] humans”.

My choice of method is always based on Adler's cogent book, "The Difference of Man and the Difference it Makes", which I fully accept clearly shows God's purpose. I've told you this over and over. I'm sorry you can't accept my right to that opinion.

Under “Balance of nature: importance of ecosystems underground"

DAVID: A different kind of ecosystem. Large parts of the bush of life are really interconnected webs of support. All necessary to support the massive populations now living in the confines of Earth. God's planning dhw doesn't recognize.

dhw: Thank you for another fascinating article, but what a shame you have to spoil these posts with such silly remarks. Of course I recognize that econiches are “interconnected webs of support”. What I do not recognize is (a) that every econiche in life’s history was specially designed as “part of God’s plan to evolve humans”, and (b) even if God exists, that he personally preprogrammed or dabbled every single interconnection in every single econiche for the last 3.8 billion years.

DAVID: Your comment is to the point you do not believe in God, and certainly do not view His works as I do.

dhw: All my proposals and comments are geared to the possibility that God exists. Please stop pretending that my agnosticism somehow justifies your illogical view of his works and your rejection of my alternative theories, which even you admit are logical.

Your theories are logical only at humanized version of God. Your God is given a human personality I do not accept.

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