Back to David's theory of evolution: God's error corrections (Evolution)

by dhw, Tuesday, August 04, 2020, 08:36 (1570 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: […] I contend during evolution God stepped in and corrected those He wanted dismissed and kept those that were benefical to his plans.

dhw: First you tell me we are only discussing current errors. Now you agree we are discussing evolution. Thank you. As regards evolution, how could he have kept or corrected the errors if he had no control over them?

DAVID: We are discussing two periods in time. My statement above is quite clear. Please re-read it. It means during evolution, when errors occurred by the molecules, He stepped in and made corrections.

According to you, God is not doing anything in the present. So what period in time are you referring to when you say he couldn’t stop the molecular errors, was correcting as much as he could, high speed reactions can have errors God can’t control, and he can’t stop molecular errors in a system he created? And are you telling us that during pre-sapiens evolution, all animals – other than those that were eaten – died of old age? (See below.)

DAVID: You just can't seem to accept that God fully recognized His inability to control molecules under His instruction when they made a mistakes.[…]. During evolution He corrected everything, now He relies upon us.

dhw: We are talking about evolution, and you can’t see the contradiction: God “fully recognized his inability to control the molecules”, but he “corrected everything”! How do you correct what you can’t control? […]

DAVID: It is completely clear to me. At all times the molecules are free to make rare mistakes in the high speed biochemical reactions of living functions.

According to you, the “rare” mistakes include those deliberately designed to kill through old age, and those that accidentally kill any organism unlucky enough to suffer them before old age, plus those that arise purely by chance and CANNOT be controlled by God although he CAN allow them if beneficial and CAN correct all those that he doesn’t like. Once again. How do you correct something you can’t control and can’t stop?

DAVID: Please note the article on
DNA correction: Sunday, August 02, 2020, 20:40
DAVID: The concept is the molecules are free to make errors always. Now we try to correct errors.

It referred to the period of evolution, but didn’t resolve the above contradictions. But I like the concept of free molecules (see below and “Back to David’s theory of evolution”), and of course we try to correct errors now. I don’t think this adds anything to the discussion on the limitations you impose on your God’s powers, or on how evolution progresses.

DAVID: At all times the molecules are free to make rare mistakes in the high speed biochemical reactions of living functions.

Yes, at all times, throughout the history of speciation. And whether your God can or can’t control them, one of those “mistakes” may have “arranged for our human evolution”, and you have delivered a powerful blow to your theory that your God directly designed every species. (See “Back to David’s theory of evolution”).