Back to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 19:49 (1612 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: No I'm not. What I have stated is living biochemistry cannot be errorless and even God can't do it. Errors are not built in. They are chance unfortunate events from high speed molecular reactions. What God has done in anticipation is corrective measures are in place, some of which work and some don't or can't.

dhw: “Even God can’t do it” and some of his corrective measures don’t work, but you are not limiting God’s powers!

In that sense He is limited, but it is the nature of the system.

dhw: If God exists, then God caused the history. You are on perfectly logical ground. What is not history but is personal interpretation of history is that 1) God is all-powerful and all-knowing and always in control; 2) God’s one and only purpose right from the start was to produce H. sapiens; 3) God directly designed millions of now extinct life forms, econiches etc., which have no conceivable relevance to the one and only life form you say he wanted to produce. The “dodge” is illustrated by your statements above, which manage to leave out all three of these fixed beliefs, and therefore leave out the insoluble problem of combining 1) and 2) with 3), because if 1) and 2) are true, you cannot explain why he would have done 3). […]

dhw: I have pointed out that your three fixed beliefs create an unanswerable problem of logic, whereas you agree that all my alternative theistic explanations of your God’s method of evolution are perfectly logical.

DAVID: Logical only at a human level of thought!

dhw: Are you claiming that you think at a divine level?

No I don't . You know full well I think your "God" thoughts are humanizing

DAVID: Your (3) makes no sense since you agree God created all history and all of evolutionary history is relevant to producing humans\ by evolution, a method you agree He might have chosen.

dhw: It is your (3) not mine, and what emphatically does NOT make sense is your claim that the direct design of 3.X billion years’ worth of non-human life forms, econiches etc. is “relevant to producing humans”. Once more you are trying to gloss over the fact that no matter how feasible each of your three individual beliefs may appear, you cannot explain why your God would have chosen (3) if (1) and (2) are true.

DAVID: As before, there is no resolution to this debate as you are totally illogical about my logical reasoning following my acceptance that God exists, has humans as His primary purpose and is in charge. What you are doing is calling my faith illogical.

dhw: Yet again you have left out (3), which makes your interpretation of evolution illogical. Nothing to do with your faith. Once and for all, please tell us why you think your all-powerful God, who had only one purpose (H. sapiens), directly designed 3.X billion years’ worth of extinct non-human forms, econiches, natural wonders etc. before directly designing the only thing he wanted to design. If you can’t explain it, then please don’t pretend it is logical.

There it is. Your same disconnect. I cannot and do not know why God chose to evolve us!!! Your inference is constantly: why not direct creation? I have no idea why or why not. I cannot read his mind, and neither can you or anyone. God is in charge of all history, and that tells us what He decided to do. No more thought involved. I don't know why you are constantly puzzled about it.