David's theory of evolution: God's error corrections II (Evolution)

by dhw, Monday, November 02, 2020, 11:30 (1480 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: I am not denying that one branch of life’s bush led to humans, another branch led to birds, and other survivors led to our food supply! I am denying that EVERY branch of life’s bush (including all those that did NOT survive) was "part of the goal of evolving [= directly designing] humans” and that God “designed the ENTIRE bush of life for our food supply.”[/b]

DAVID: And I view it as God's goal, which is what you are denying.

What does your “it” refer to? Yes, I deny that the brontosaurus could have been directly designed as part of your God’s goal of directly designing humans. You have agreed that there is “no direct connection”. And yes, I deny that 3.8 billion years’ worth of organisms, 99% of which are extinct, were designed to be food supplies for humans. You have agreed that “extinct life plays no role in current time.” That should be the end of the discussion! The rest is pure repetition.

DAVID: It is simple. I believe God ran/designed all of evolution after He invented life. You don't.

That is only one part of your belief, which is that he designed EVERY life form as “part of the goal of evolving [= directly designing] humans”, and he designed “the ENTIRE bush of life for our food supply.” Omitting the illogical premises is your way of dodging the issue. Please stop it.

DAVID: My answers are consistent: God ran evolution and produced all branches of evolution on His way to producing a current situation on Earth where Humans are in charge and have a huge population and its necessary food supply in the huge bush of life.

dhw: This is sheer gloss. I know you think he designed all branches, and we all know that humans are in charge now and need food. This does not give us a single clue as to why your God would have designed ALL branches if his one and only goal was to design humans and their food supply.

DAVID: How do you know how confined God's desires were??? You are now declaring you know exactly what God wanted, after you have said previously, if God is in charge, of course, He can do as her wishes!!! God evolved humans from first life, bacteria, as designer of life in my view.

Round and round. It’s YOU who confine God’s desires!!! Yet again: You claim every life form in history was designed as part of his goal to design humans, and every econiche in life’s history was designed to feed humans!!! But you also agree that the brontosaurus had no direct connection with humans, and “extinct life plays no role in current time.” We agree that ALL species descend/descended from bacteria. How does that prove that he directly designed EVERY LIFE FORM in order to directly design humans???

dhw: […] If God exists, his plan clearly wasn’t solely to directly design H. sapiens and his food supply.

DAVID: Not solely of course. The giant bush had to be created concurrently with creating humans in charge of the Earth. Humans were the final planned goal.

I keep asking what other goal your God may have had, and you keep coming come back to humans being his goal. You said that the ENTIRE bush was designed for our food supply. If you are now saying that only the current bush was designed for our food supply, then you agree that your God did NOT design the ENTIRE bush of life for our food supply.

DAVID: You continue to ignore my point that the current biological system is the only system that will work, and for success the only one He could choose to design. The molecules must be free to react with others or change shape at fantastic speeds in micro-seconds.

dhw: We have no idea if that is the only possible way to create life, but even if it is, you have him creating back-ups in a vain attempt to correct the “errors”, and I have him wanting the “errors”. Which version makes him weaker?

DAVID: It all depends on interpretation of the editing systems. They are not in vain. Life processes at extremely high speed are over 99% effective. Your usual sour view of the facts to diminish God's efforts.

There’s no problem with those parts of the system that work. It’s the diseases – or uncorrected “errors” – that are the problem, which is why you tell us that cancer, for instance, is only 0.000001% of a problem, and so we should ignore it.

dhw: I have proposed that the creative activity is performed by intelligent cells! […] It’s perfectly logical that changing conditions should require changing behaviours and these may require changing structures.

DAVID: Great logic, but no sense of how it can happen naturally!!!

dhw: Through intelligent cells (now bolded), which may have been designed by your God.

DAVID: If they are innately intelligent, an unknown. In my view God gave them intelligent instructions.

You agreed it is logical that changing conditions require changing behaviours and these may require changing structures, and you asked how it could happen “naturally”, by which you mean without God. I have told you: by autonomous cellular intelligence, but this may have been originally designed by your God.