David's theory of evolution: God's error corrections II (Evolution)

by David Turell , Monday, November 16, 2020, 18:13 (1466 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Your confusion about my beliefs comes from the logic that starts from my conclusion God is in charge and created all the historical events we know. Therefore He created the process of evolution, and designed each new stage. I view your complaints as complaining about what God obviously did!!

dhw: Round we go. Your conclusion that God personally designed every life form, econiche and natural wonder in the history of life makes sense on its own. What does not make sense is that every life form, econiche and natural wonder was “part of the goal of evolving [= directly designing] humans”, although 99% of them had no connection with humans.

Makes perfect sense if you accept God created evolution, which means what we know about the process is what He did!

DAVID: That is why we debate. For me God took all the time He wanted to bring us on the scene. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with my having no guess as to why He decided to produce us or why He chose that mechanism. We are here, dayenu. The wisdom of the ancient Hebrews on exhibit.

dhw: In this context we are not discussing why he decided to produce us but why, if his (ultimate) goal was to design humans, he would have chosen to directly design millions of extinct life forms etc., 99% of which had no connection with humans. You simply continue to dodge the issue.

I don't deny or dodge. I don't know why He chose to evolve us, stated over and over. But as He chose that method, I view your objection as a complaint against God's choice.

DAVID: All of your confusion comes from questioning the history and comes from an approach of, in your opinion, 'God shouldn't have done that way'. So your reasoning is that you object to what God chose to do as I see it. The difference between us causes this circular discussion to continue. I accept God as totally in charge, knows what He wants, and you are at "maybe".

dhw: I do not question the history, and I do not object to what God chose to do (if he exists), and I have offered alternative (theistic) explanations of the history, which you agree are logical. However, you prefer not to recognize the illogicality of your own explanation, as twice bolded above. In all of my theories, God knows what he wants. But you are only prepared to “accept” one theory, which entails your having no idea why he would have chosen your interpretation of his method to achieve your interpretation of what he wants.

Your God wants to relinquish tight control over advances in evolution. I think He follows His purposes very directly with strict controls. We differ, as I have constantly noted, on God's personality. Assuming your God's personality you are logical. We will still differ.