David's theory of evolution: God's error corrections II (Evolution)

by dhw, Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 11:20 (1500 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: I do not reject God as the creator. I accept Adler’s logic and yours that humans are unique, may be seen as evidence of God’s existence, and may even have been a prime goal. I accept that if God exists, his method of creating ALL species was evolution. I do not accept that evolution means direct design. I do not accept that every extinct life form, econiche and natural wonder was “part of the goal of evolving (= directly designing) humans”. I do not accept that every extinct life form etc. provided food for humans before humans even existed. And so, bearing in mind that the vast bush of extinct life “plays no role in current time”, please answer these two questions: In what way was your God’s direct design of the brontosaurus “part of the goal of evolving (= directly designing) humans”, and in what way did it provide humans with food? If you can’t answer, please say so, and we can stop all this beating about the bush!

DAVID: The brontosaurus is a step on the way to humans. It could not provide human foods as it disappeared 60+ million years ago, which points out the silliness of your question. Life's bush at that time offered energy for the brontosaurus, not for us.

In what way is it a step on the way to humans? Please tell us the connection. Your answer to the second question points out the silliness of your argument that your God designed every extinct life form in order to provide food for humans, which is the only reason you have given for him directly designing 3.X billion years’ worth of non-human life forms “as part of the goal of evolving humans”. It highlights the absurdity of such non sequiturs as “He understood the whole bush of life is necessary as a food supply for all. Especially with the ever rising size of the human population.” “God knew we would populate the Earth as he designed the entire bush of life for our food supply.” “The massive bush not directed at human development supplied the food for all including now the huge human population, which God obviously expected to appear.” What has the brontosaurus, plus millions of other extinct organisms, got to do with supplying food for the huge human population? You have answered: nothing at all.

DAVID: You keep forgetting evolution is a continuous process over enormous amounts of time. The only relation dinos have to us is in the continuum of evolution over time.

The continuous process involves the coming and going of life forms. There is no continuum between dinosaurs and us, and that is why it is illogical to claim that every extinct organism was “part of the goal of evolving humans”.

DAVID: Your statement and all your previous mistaken objections compresses the time relationship. You disbelieve God designed evolution and I believe He did. We cannot cross that chasm of thought.

There is no compression of time. On the contrary, I keep asking you why your God directly designed 3.X billion years’ worth of non-human life forms, econiches, natural wonders etc. if his only goal was to design H. sapiens. You have now emphatically confirmed that there is no link between these life forms and humans, and they were not designed as food for humans. Your final comment is your usual digression. If God exists, then of course he “designed evolution”, but that does not mean he designed every species, econiche, natural wonder etc., and it does not mean he designed every species as “part of the goal of evolving humans”, and it does not mean that the vast bush of extinct food supplies was necessary in order to feed humans.

Thank you for your clear answers.I suggest we move on.