David's theory of evolution: God's error corrections II (Evolution)

by David Turell , Sunday, October 11, 2020, 15:58 (1502 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Your total objection is to my assertion God designs all of evolution stage by stage.

dhw: That is NOT my total objection! You continue to play the game of picking on ONE premise instead of the total combination of premises. All of evolution means every single life form, econiche, natural wonder etc. that ever existed. Yes, it is possible that he designed every single one. But here is the objection:you tell us that he only wanted to design ONE life form (H. sapiens), and that every single life form he designed before humans was “part of the goal of evolving humans”, and yet the vast bush of extinct life “plays no role in current time”. And he apparently designed all the others in order to provide food for humans who were not yet there! These are the non sequiturs that make up the total objection.

DAVID: The red bold is your made-up distortion. Humans are His desired goal of ultimate animal/plant evolution. God knew how to get there by evolving from bacteria to us. Stated multiple times.

If humans are his desired goal, then humans are the only life form he wanted to design (apart from those needed to feed us)! The question is why he got there by evolving (= directly designing in your theory) millions and millions of non-human and now extinct life forms in order to get to the only life form he wanted to design! Now look at all your other answers:

dhw: It is NOT your belief in God that I am questioning, but your interpretation of God’s intentions and method of fulfilment.

DAVID: Which is humans as the ultimate goal by evolving them from bacteria.

dhw: If humans are the ultimate goal, then humans are the life form he wanted to design. So why did he design 3.x billion years’ worth of now extinct life forms which had nothing to do with humans?

Simple conclusion: if God is in control of creation, study history to see what He did. He obviously used evolution to produce us.

DAVID: The prime discussion is your rejection of my view of God as the creator.

dhw: It is not our prime difference and you know it! Every single alternative explanation I have offered you allows for God as the designer! You reject them all because they “humanize” God, not because they don't accept God as the designer.

A non-answer to my main point that God chose to evolve us.

DAVID: Open your mind to my position that humans are the end-point goal. Humans are God's goal in His creation by evolving from bacteria. Of course in doing this He anticipated designing every stage of plants and animals.

dhw: I neither reject nor accept your position that humans are the end-point goal. But if humans are the end-point “goal in His creation” why is it a distortion to say that he only wanted to design one life form (apart from those we eat)? My objection is to the combination of that premise with the other premises I keep listing. Now consider the logic of your last statement. His goal in creation was to design H. sapiens, and so he knew in advance that he would design every stage of every plant and animal that has ever existed, 99% of which have now disappeared. What is the logical connection between every extinct plant and animal that ever existed and the direct design of humans? (Please don’t forget that according to you every stage of humans was also specially designed, with operations on legs and brains and skulls and pelvises)…And please don’t tell us that every plant and every animal through the whole history of life was necessary to provide food for humans, although the vast bush of extinct life “plays no role in current time”.

Your long discussion simply describes how evolution happened. And all the while you object to what happened. God as creator made a choice of method as you note below:

dhw: I think the only way we can put a stop to this discussion is if you go back to your earlier acknowledgement that you have no idea why your God would have chosen such a method to achieve his one and only goal, but that is your belief and you are going to stick to it. Then we need only refer to it if you continue to tell us that, for instance, God directly designed this or that natural wonder as “part of the goal of evolving humans”.

Of course I don't know why God chose evolution as His method. My guess is not a guess: the need for a huge bush of life to provide food for the huge population of humans that had to appear because of their brain power taking over the Earth. There is no way for humans to exist without the support of the bush. I don't know why you don't recognize the logic which follows from believing God as creator.