David's theory of evolution: God's error corrections II (Evolution)

by David Turell , Monday, October 26, 2020, 22:00 (1487 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: More on the genetics and stem cell changes:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02914-0

QUOTE: "The placenta is a defining feature of being a mammal, and its formation is one of the first steps in mammalian development. The embryo begins to make its placenta without direct guidance from its mother — rather, it follows a set of molecularly encoded, do-it-yourself assembly instructions. (David’s bold)

DAVID: Note the reference to informative instructions in my bold in the first paragraph. Only a designer could supply them.

You persistently miss the point that once a new system works, it will repeat itself indefinitely. That is how organs remain organs, and species remain species! You say each one was designed by your God, and I propose cellular intelligence as the originator.
dhw: This is also the difference between my proposal (plus Shapiro's and Talbott's) and yours.

Talbott doesn't Know how the cells developed intelligence. Shapiro uses bacteria which can edit DNA as examples, nothing more.

dhw: You now repeat this discrepancy:
dhw: Talbott argues the case for cellular intelligence. So do I. He doesn’t know the source of that intelligence. Nor do I. And so where do Talbott and I differ?

You don't differ.

DAVID: You don't and neither do I. Only I give an answer. The cells act intelligently and I point to God as designer.

Your "act intelligently" = following God’s instructions, and ours = autonomously. Poles apart. I acknowledge the possibility that your God designed cellular intelligence, whereas Shapiro and Talbott apparently don't discuss the source.

DAVID: Again forgetting my reasonable theory about ecosystems offering food supply for all, in all the branches of the bush not just humans in their branch[/b]

dhw: That is indeed the reasonable theory I have been trying to put across! Every extinct ecosystem offered food to its OWN forms and not in any way, shape or form, to humans! So how could they ALL have been part of the goal of evolving (= designing) humans???

We both accept common descent!!! As shown by related DNA and specific genes, some of which have different functions in different species at differing levels evolution.

DAVID: Again chopping up evolution into unconnected parts. Remember God is the designer of evolution. but never in your approach, where everything is disconnected and running helter-skelter by chance. Always back to Darwin, it seems.

dhw: Again you dodge my bolded question. You have agreed that the parts are unconnected! In my proposal, evolution does not progress by chance, and Darwin never proposed cellular intelligence as the driver of speciation.

Darwin made nebulous proposals based on few facts compared to what we know. Again we are related through common descent as guided by the DNA code system. That relates the parts that are separated by time and therefore from contemporaneous interactions.

Under “Defining life”:
DAVID: Ecosystems and food supply explain why the bush of life is so big.

dhw: […] the fact that there were millions of ecosystems that came and went explains why the whole bush of life past and present was/is so big. Or do you mean the current bush? Yes, the current bush is big, but as you have so rightly said, “extinct life plays no role in current time”.

DAVID: Finally presenting my statement about time relationships in the proper context.

We are dealing with SPECIES relationships (extinct LIFE)! So please settle the issue once and for all. Bearing in mind that there is “no direct connection” between the brontosaurus and humans, econiches supply food only for the organisms alive at the time, “extinct life plays no role in current time”, and your belief that your God directly designed every species, what part did the brontosaurus play in the direct design of humans? If the answer is “none”, we can at last move on.

The only role is an an ancestor as evolution run by God developed newer forms of complexity