David's theory of evolution: God's error corrections II (Evolution)

by dhw, Friday, October 30, 2020, 08:32 (30 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Note the only source for cellular intelligence you offer is God. So why are cells intelligent without God?

dhw: There you go again. Other possible but for me equally dubious sources are chance and some form of panpsychism. If your God exists, my proposal is that he would have given cells their AUTONOMOUS intelligence (as exemplified by human free will).

DAVID: Free will is an analogy, but has no relation to editing DNA. I'm so glad you are 'equally dubious', but won't accept the only conclusion that is left.

It’s not an analogy. Cellular intelligence without God = AUTONOMOUS intelligence = the ability to think and take decisions independently of your God, as exemplified by human free will. “Equally dubious” means that I find the idea of a single mind that can create a universe, and has always been there, and knows everything, just as dubious as the two alternatives. Why would I accept any of them?

dhw: At last we have agreement. We agree that ALL life forms evolved from bacteria, but we cannot say that ALL life forms have any direct connection to H. sapiens, and therefore it is absurd to say that all the extinct life forms were our ancestors, and since that was the only justification you could find for saying that they were all “part of the goal of evolving [= directly designing] humans”, we can now lay that section of your evolutionary theory to rest.

DAVID: Agreed. All extinct life forms are not our direct ancestors.

Thank you. Since ancestry was your only justification for claiming that all extinct life forms were “part of the goal of evolving [= directly designing] humans”, we can say goodbye to Part One of your theory.

DAVID: The huge bush is energy supply for our giant population. Why do I have to keep repeating the obvious logic?

dhw: The huge bushes of the past do not supply one drop of energy for our giant population of the present:“extinct life plays no role in current time”.

DAVID: You are stating the obvious.

dhw: Thank you for acknowledging it. Perhaps now you will stop making such silly statements as: “God knew we would populate the Earth as He designed the entire bush of life for our food supply”.

DAVID: Only silly as in a Godless view of history.

The food supply consists of life forms! And 99% of them are extinct! Just as the extinct dinosaurs are not our ancestors and have no connection with us, the food they ate – especially the food of the meat-eaters – is also extinct and has no connection with our food supply! “Extinct life has no role in present time.” Goodbye to Part Two of your theory.

DAVID: Evolution is a continuum of development over massive amounts of time, which you keep chopping up into separate unrelated compartments. The dinos ancestors and ours are bacteria!!!

Yet again, all multicellular life forms are descended from bacteria, but humans are not descended from 99% of the branches of life’s bushes. As you said: “We are not in the brontosaurus branch”. Therefore, as above, it is absurd to claim that the brontosaurus and his food supply were “part of the goal of evolving (= directly designing] humans”.

DAVID: There is obvious logic in building a giant food supply for us to live on.

But there is no logic in claiming that your God specially designed 3.X billion years’ worth of extinct food supplies (= all the organisms in an econiche) for us to live on when we were not even there. Once again in your words: “extinct life has no role in present time.” Therefore neither the extinct life forms nor their extinct food supplies could have been part of the goal of evolving [= specially designing] humans! Please stop trying to defend a theory which you have effectively demolished by drawing attention to “the obvious”.


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