Let's study ID: giraffe plumbing: cognition; A new answer (Introduction)

by dhw, Wednesday, November 17, 2021, 10:45 (891 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: The bush consisted and consists of countless branches, and the vast majority of these have not only become extinct, but also had no connection with humans. You have acknowledged this (humans are not descended from brontosauruses), and so I question your belief that every single one of them was “part of the goal of evolving [= designing] humans” and their food.

DAVID: I consider God's designed evolution as an all inclusive process.

The only meaning I can squeeze out of this opaque statement is that you believe your God specially designed every life form, lifestyle, food, natural wonder etc. in the history of evolution. And so I ask yet again: why would he have specially designed all the life forms etc. that had no connection with humans plus food if his only purpose was to design humans plus food? Your answer, when you refrain from dodging, is that you don’t know and I should ask God. That is where we should end this discussion.

DAVID: Again you are simply criticizing God's choice of method. How do you know God could or wished to create us directly?

dhw: I don’t “know” anything – even if God exists! […] How do you know that your God’s one and only purpose was to design humans and their food, and how do you know that he designed every single life form, lifestyle and natural wonder, including all those that had no connection with humans and their food? How do you know which human thought patterns and emotions he might have?

DAVID: The questions concern my process in changing from an agnostic. My research concluded God exists and created all of our reality. You are questioning my conclusions. All of my statements about God's thoughts, emotions to reach His actions are guesses. However His actions are real Works and open for interpretation.

I’m questioning the logic of your guesses, not your conversion. I hope you will stop accusing me of criticizing God now that you have agreed that I am criticizing your illogical guesses/interpretation of your God’s works.

dhw: It is only your interpretation of his purpose and methods that leaves you floundering, as you have no idea why he would have chosen it. And yet you still insist that you know your God’s mind, and your illogical theory is HIS logic!

DAVID: I'm not floundering in a position of believing God, the Creator, creates what He wants when He wants in the method He wants.

dhw: If God exists, I doubt if anyone would disagree with that. You simply omit the fact that there are alternative theories concerning what, when and how, and your theory is so illogical that you have no idea why he would have chosen it.

DAVID: Strawman inaccurate statement of my constant position. I obviously cannot know God's reasons for His choice of creation method.

You cannot know his choice of creation method! Direct design of all life forms is your interpretation of the facts, just as his only goal being humans is your interpretation of the facts. And the two interpretations put together make for one illogical theory.