Let's study ID (Introduction)

by dhw, Thursday, August 05, 2021, 11:14 (80 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: History tells us evolution advanced over time in stages. so that is what God did.

dhw: I am not questioning evolution! I am questioning your interpretation of your God’s purpose and method of achieving his purpose!

DAVID: How can you question my interpretation? Simply, God is on charge of creating everything. Humans evolved from bacteria, therefore God evolved humans from bacteria. No one can possibly know why God chose to evolve us as His method of achieving that goal.

If your all-powerful God’s one and only purpose was to design humans and their food, why did he specially design vast numbers of life forms that had no connection with humans and their food? THAT is the question you cannot answer and therefore keep dodging, and you have rejected all my alternative theistic interpretations of God’s possible purpose and method (all of which are based on our joint belief that evolution happened) on the grounds that my “humanizing” views of a possible God are different from your own “humanizing” views of your God.

DAVID: I don't see a difference between us except your strange ideas in the red parentheses which describes evolutionary history. I fully believe humans are so different and exceptional we are God's goal. Adler's point.

The red parenthesis is your claim that your God designed all the individual life forms and foods that had no connection with his one and only goal. Their existence is evolutionary history. It is not evolutionary history that your all-powerful God designed them all individually, and it makes no sense to say that he designed them all individually although the only life forms and foods that he wanted to design were us humans and our foods.

DAVID: Those extinct branches lead to the huge current bush with food for all.

dhw: How can every single extinct life branch have led to our current food supply? Why do you constantly ignore your own observations? “The current bush of food is NOW for humans NOW. There were smaller bushes in the PAST for PAST forms” and “Extinct life has no role in current time”.

DAVID: It is amazing how much you distort those logical points about timing of evolutionary events, which is exactly what those comments state. You know evolution is a continuum, or not?

Dealt with over and over again. Evolution is a continuum in so far as all life forms except the first are descended from earlier life forms. It is NOT a single continuum from the first life forms to humans and their food. There were vast numbers of branches that did NOT lead to humans and their foods. As you so rightly say, the foods of the past were for past forms, not for humans, and extinct life has no role in current time. The only distortion here is your attempt to gloss over the great gap between your interpretation of your God’s purpose (humans plus food) and your interpretation of evolution’s history: namely, that all life forms and foods were ”part of the goal of evolving [= designing] humans”, although the vast majority had no connection with humans.

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DAVID: The Earth evolved to its present state over time. The universe evolved to its present state after the BB. Life evolved from simple Archaea. Our reality has appeared to reach its present state by processes of evolution. If God is in charge He uses evolution to reach His goals.

dhw: If God exists, your logic is impeccable. It is only when you start telling us your version of his goal (only one according to you: humans plus their food and then trying to link that goal with your version of the history of evolution (special design of every single life form and food form that had no connection with his goal) that your logic falls apart.

DAVID: If you accept the exceptionality of humans, which philosophically makes us the goal, it is all logical.

How on earth do you come to the “philosophical”, “logical” conclusion that our exceptional brains mean that your all-powerful God specially designed all forms of life and food in order to design us, although the vast majority of them had no connection with us?


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