Let's study ID (Introduction)

by David Turell , Wednesday, August 04, 2021, 16:27 (1205 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: The bold is your totally illogical thought. History tells us evolution advanced over time in stages. so that is what God did.

dhw: I am not questioning evolution! I am questioning your interpretation of your God’s purpose and method of achieving his purpose!

How can you question my interpretation? Simply, God is on charge of creating everything. Humans evolved from bacteria, therefore God evolved humans from bacteria. No one can possibly know why God chose to evolve us as His method of achieving that goal..

DAVID: History shows us that every aspect of our reality evolved from a start. Therefore God prefers to evolve His goals. I can't explain His preference, can you?

dhw: There can be no doubt that if God exists, he chose evolution to achieve his goals, and I am not questioning his preference. I am questioning your interpretation of his goal (according to you, he only had one, which was humans and their food supply) and his method of achieving that goal (to individually design vast numbers of life forms and food supplies that had no connection with humans and their food supply). I have offered you several alternative explanations of why and how God used evolution to achieve his goal(s), you have agreed that they are all logical, you cannot explain the combination of goal and method that you believe in, and so you continue to dodge.

I don't see a difference between us except your strange ideas in the red parentheses which describes evolutionary history. I fully believe humans are so different and exceptional we are God's goal. Adler's point.

DAVID: And you have never denied the observation that approaching eight billion humans requires a huge evolutionary bush of food supply.

dhw: Of course not. But that does not explain why your God individually designed vast numbers of now extinct life forms and their food which had no connection with humans and their food supply.

DAVID: You are still denying we evolved, so that is what God did.

dhw: Of course I’m not denying that we evolved!

DAVID: Any thinking God could see that big brained humans would develop that type of huge population.

dhw: What does that have to do with your God designing vast numbers of now extinct life forms that had no connection with humans or their food supply?

DAVID: Those extinct branches lead to the huge current bush with food for all.

dhw: How can every single extinct life branch have led to our current food supply? Why do you constantly ignore your own observations? “The current bush of food is NOW for humans NOW. There were smaller bushes in the PAST for PAST forms” and “Extinct life has no role in current time”.

It is amazing how much you distort those logical points about timing of evolutionary events, which is exactly what those comments state. You know evolution is a continuum, or not?.

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DAVID: The Earth evolved to its present state over time. The universe evolved to its present state after the BB. Life evolved from simple Archaea. Our reality has appeared to reach its present state by processes of evolution. If God is in charge He uses evolution to reach His goals.

dhw: If God exists, your logic is impeccable. It is only when you start telling us your version of his goal (only one according to you: humans plus their food) and then trying to link that goal with your version of the history of evolution (special design of every single life form and food form that had no connection with his goal) that your logic falls apart.

If you accept the exceptionality of humans, which philosophically makes us the goal, it is all logical.