Let's study ID (Introduction)

by dhw, Friday, August 20, 2021, 12:01 (1189 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Yes bushes branch off and we are the end point of a specific branch. However all branches are connected at the roots, the start of life.

dhw: Thank you for agreeing with my first bold.

DAVID: And all the branches are providing food for everyone in every branch.

dhw: Where do you get that from? Have you forgotten that the history of life comprises countless branches, most of which are extinct? Are you once more trying to twist language to show that every branch in life’s history provided food for humans? Please don’t even try.

DAVID: Why don't you recognize evolution has a past, a present, and perhaps a future? We are discussing the useful presence of current branches that feed all living forms.

It is YOU who keep trying to dodge the past! There is no dispute over the fact that current branches feed current forms. The dispute, which you continue to gloss over, concerns your claim that ALL forms of life and food, extant and extinct, were specially designed by your God in order to fulfil his one and only goal of designing humans and their food, although the vast majority of past life forms and foods had no connection with humans and their food.

DAVID: Oh, I forgot, your God is not sure of where he is going so He experiments.

dhw: Experimenting is only one of my alternatives, but at least it explains why your God might have specially designed all the life forms and foods which you keep telling us were part of his one and only goal of designing humans although they had no connection with humans.

DAVID: You distort God's goal as singular. Humans are/were the planned endpoint. In my view evolution has ended. The current bush is the final bush.

It is YOU who have constantly claimed that God’s goal is singular! And you claim that all life forms etc. were/are “part of the goal of evolving [= designing] humans” and their food. That is the nub of the whole endless dispute. How can they possibly have been part of that one goal if the vast majority of them had no connection with humans? (I’m not going to forecast what evolution will come up with in the next few billion years.)