Let's study ID (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Thursday, July 29, 2021, 17:03 (85 days ago) @ dhw

Taken from: Specific organs protection

DAVID: Remember I have God in charge of all stages of evolution. Each stage is fully prepared to handle living at that particular stage of evolutionary development. Think of eight/nine whale stages we know, each living at that stage of development into full functional whales.

dhw: I do indeed remember, and I remember that you have your God performing all these operations in anticipation of new problems – e.g. he changes legs to flippers before the pre-whale enters the water. So as I said above, he keeps popping in before they have any trouble breathing, copulating, giving birth and fighting new enemies. And he had to do all that before he could fulfil his one and only goal of designing humans plus lunch. And all these improvements (e.g. in ways of producing offspring and fighting enemies) apparently had nothing to do with the survival of the species. So please remember the alternative: that all these changes took place because each of them was a RESPONSE to existing conditions and enabled successive pre-whales to survive more efficiently in their watery home.

I still have no sense of when God does what. I am sure He does all designs for anticipated future needs and use. That is what designers do. Your approach is that old species can make new ones on their own. I view it as a weak theory since design must have extensive mental work.


TOMATOES

DAVID: How do the tomato plants learn to produce noxious chemicals? My point is still the Darwinist magical solutions as in the article […]

dhw: I can’t answer your question, and I don’t suppose anyone else can. Please tell me what is the “Darwinist” magical answer, and why is it more magical than an unknown, sourceless intelligent mind popping in to give tomatoes courses in noxious chemical production? Meanwhile, why do you ignore all the questions I have asked above?

DAVID: Not ignored. Elsewhere I've said survival doesn't drive evolution. Insects have to eat. All of living folks have to have energy, remember?

dhw: And why do they have to eat/have energy, if the reason is not to survive? And when food is short, why do you think they look elsewhere, and develop new means of acquiring food, and why do you think their potential foods devise ways of defending themselves, if not to survive? Do you really think God says to himself: “I gotta change all these organisms ‘cos otherwise I shan’t be able to design David Turell & Co plus lunch?”

Of course species must survive long enough for God to move forward to the next level of design.


DAVID: Once insects are here, God didn't make them choose to eat tomatoes. They did it on their own. What God did was give the tomatoes some protection.

dhw: And God said: “Them insects is out of my control – though I have total control over everything – so I’m gonna protect them tomatoes, because otherwise I won’t be able to design David Turell & Co plus lunch.”

God doesn't design how we all eat each other. He had provided meals for all, as required.


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