Let's study ID: giraffe plumbing (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Tuesday, October 05, 2021, 15:49 (307 days ago) @ dhw
edited by David Turell, Tuesday, October 05, 2021, 16:19

dhw: I keep repeating a possible explanation for the “sudden appearance” of new species, and your only response so far has been that I ignore the “sudden appearance” of new species!

DAVID: Each point avoids the obvious gap in precursors, not recognizing the 50+ years of new findings in Chinese shale all of which reinforce the gap. It is Darwin's gap, unchanged since he noted it.

dhw: Each point contributes to a possible explanation of the gap. We are talking about a period that could cover vast numbers of generations, and about innovations that took place in different locations where changing conditions could trigger different responses...I suggest that the above combination of factors is at least as feasible as the theory that your God either preprogrammed or dabbled every single innovation - not just the Cambrian - and that he did so with the sole purpose of producing humans plus their food).

A sole purpose is not the same as a final goal. Your hopeful theories about the gap does not get rid of its current unexplained state.

Immunity system complexity

DAVID: Don't believe me if that is your opinion. Making new antibodies is always the same process no matter who or what invades.

dhw: I have just stated (now bolded) that the process is the same! It’s the details that change.

Automatically by the cells singular process.

DAVID: No new instructions from God are required to have the system work from birth onward. The system is built in to recognize all new invasions, like Covid 19, which never existed more than three + years ago. Yet we all make antibodies against it!!! God dabble not required.

dhw: Thank you for confirming that cells recognize invasions and make NEW antibodies without any dabbling from your God. How they can possibly do so without thought is beyond me. And still we wait to hear exactly what your God’s “instructions” consist of, if they do not specify what new XYZs are required to kill off the new invaders. Meanwhile, please note that millions of people have died from Covid-19. The system failed.

What is beyond you is the system to make antibodies works automatically by recognizing non-self and adding always the same killer proteins to the non-self. No extra details required

DAVID: I see you floundering to find objections to the idea our immune cells know exactly what to do each and every time. Fabulous design!!! No cell thought required.

dhw: They don’t know what to do each and every time. They have to work it out!

Just respond according it plan.

dhw: Why do you think people fall ill or even die before the process produces the new antibodies to fight off the new invaders?

Every person has an immune system, but some are very weak with poor and therefore deadly responses.

dhw: “I see you floundering” to find objections to the idea that if your God has not preprogrammed or dabbled specific antibodies to counter specific invaders, then the only possibility left is that (if he exists) he has given cells the ABILITY to work out how to do it themselves – and that requires thought. (Not, of course, to be confused or compared with human thought.) In your own words, referring to a baby: “The rest of his life his cells are able to make an entire library of antibodies to all that come along.” You have agreed that the cells make the library without "instructions" from your God, in which case they must autonomously compile each volume as and when it is needed.

Your fertile mind distorts what I tell you constantly as the bold. The cells follow God's instructions to automatically make appropriate antibodies for each new non-self invader. One set of simple instructions. No reference library needed, but created for future reuse. Immune cells can build their own memory. You obviously don't believe my explanations of the immune system. Read it for yourself on Google, your usual attempt to learn outside of me.

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