Let's study ID (Introduction)

by dhw, Thursday, September 02, 2021, 12:05 (960 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: […] I am questioning your claim that the countless life forms and foods that had no connection with humans “had to come before” humans and their food. Why, if his one and only goal was to design humans and their food? You simply go on and on dodging the issue.

DAVID: Once again distorting my God into extreme tunnel-vision to sit your debating purposes which devolves into a totally illogical view of the necessary human food supply.

dhw: The extreme tunnel vision is yours, when you claim that all life forms “were part of the goal of evolving [= designing] humans” and their food supply. Once again: how can they all have been part of that goal if the vast majority had no connection with humans and their food supply?

DAVID: You have no argument if you accept that God evolved humans from bacteria, discussing at the theistic level where God exists.

dhw: Your final dodge is to ignore the question.

DAVID: You refuse to follow my reasoning: God, in charge, designed humans starting with bacteria (Archaea) and designed each subsequent more complex stage until current humans were formed. This looks like what we call evolution with common descent.

So far, so good.

DAVID: Each huge bush is necessary food supply, smaller in size earlier and very large now to accommodate the population now.

In your theory, each huge bush was necessary for the countless OTHER past life forms which he designed while designing the one line from bacteria to humans, and the question which you continue to ignore (because you know you can’t answer it) is: why did he specially design all the OTHER past life forms and food bushes that had no connection with humans if humans were his one and only purpose?

DAVID: It is all connected through God's actions/ designs. This is no dodge.

Of course it’s a dodge! The only connection you are offering is that God designed them all! You cannot answer the bolded question above, and so you go on dodging it.

DAVID: You simply suggest God should have gone straight away and made humans. That is obviously what you suggest by your illogical questions.

(Made humans plus their food.) If your theory is correct, then of course he should! And according to the Bible that’s what he did. But – assuming he even exists – evolution shows that he didn’t, and that’s why Darwin’s theory caused such an uproar and why you have to keep dodging the bolded question above. You can’t find an answer, which clearly suggests that there is something wrong with your theory. Maybe he DIDN’T design all the other life forms. Or maybe his one and only purpose was not to design humans.