Let's study ID: giraffe plumbing (Introduction)

by David Turell , Tuesday, October 12, 2021, 15:31 (1138 days ago) @ dhw
edited by David Turell, Tuesday, October 12, 2021, 15:48

DAVID: God can do it any way He wants. History records what happened. Live with it.

dhw: Of course if he exists, God can do what he wants. And clearly if all he wanted was humans and their food, then logically he could have directly created humans and their food.

But He didn't!!! Accept the history God created.

DAVID: God does not have to be logical. The contradictions are all made up by your misunderstanding of how to look at God.

dhw: How do you know that yours is the only way to look at God? How do you know that God is not logical?

All we know is God should be logical, but in each case He may differ from our thoughts, as you complain above..

Immunity system complexity

QUOTE: “The only limiting thing here is our understanding of how the RNA is controlled by various regulatory programs within the cell.”

DAVID: Note the authors, like me, expect tight regulatory controls, i.e., automaticity.

dhw: I note that you have ignored Shapiro’s advocacy of cellular intelligence, and I note that the above statement and the one below both acknowledge that we do not know how the cell exercises control and makes its decisions:

QUOTE: "Using high-precision experiments, mathematical modeling, and artificial intelligence, Kinney aims to clarify these mysteries at the level of molecular biophysics— how the spliceosome reads the RNA sequence and makes its cutting decisions.”

The obvious inference is that they are looking for tightly controlled processes, like all the cellular ones found so far.

DAVID: The protein molecules make a mistake from the proper action required in folding or joining. What is expected automatically turns out wrong.

dhw: That is the cause of the problem. But we do not know how cells take the decisions to correct the mistakes.

Yes we do, the discucsed editing system I presented.

dhw: But according to you, in the case of invasion the cells themselves build up a library of responses with each new antibody adding a new volume, but they don’t build it up because your God has already preprogrammed them……

DAVID: Yes He has programmed them!!! To each invader the cells automatically recognize the invader (non-self) And add by instructions proteins to some of the invaders proteins which modify or kill the invader, creating the new anti body for the library.

dhw: You are again describing the general process, but each antibody is new and requires a new creation which is then added to the library. WHAT, then, has he preprogrammed? You simply throw in the word “automatically” as if it proved there was no thought involved, and you throw in the word “instructions” which, when I ask for clarification, turn out to be God saying “Recognize the invader and make a new antibody to kill it off.” You have said explicitly that he does not dabble, and so you are left with no alternative: the cells make their own decisions. (But your God may have given them the ABILITY to do so.)

Please read what I write: Antibody creation is always the same automatic process: recognize the invader and add the same killer or modifier proteins. Non-self: if its not me it is foreign. All automatic as presented in medical text books..

dhw: Not clear. Please tell us precisely what these “instructions” consist of, if they are not as I have described above. And if they already give the complete “recipe” (= “preprogrammed”) for the new antibody, what exactly is added to the library?

A new antibody is automatically made as described above and added to the library. The immune cells always follow the same instructions to make antibodies, no variation except the finished product is new because each new invader is different. Thus a library is built for future reference if the new invader returns as they do.