Let's study ID (Introduction)

by dhw, Sunday, September 12, 2021, 11:18 (339 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: You have left out the key question: if his only purpose was to design us, why did his design of us include countless extinct life forms THAT HAD NO CONNECTION WITH US?

DAVID: It is not a dodge if you can accept, as I do, that God chose to evolve us from bacteria. You dodge that concept constantly.

Your evasions are becoming increasingly desperate. For the thousandth time, if God exists, he chose to evolve ALL life forms (including humans) from bacteria. But that does not mean his only purpose was humans, or that he specially designed every single life form. You have no idea why, if his only purpose was humans, he “evolved” [= specially designed] all the life forms that had no connection with humans, and so you tell me to ask God.

DAVID: Answer the issue: are we evolved from bacteria? If God is in charge, didn't He do it? If God is in charge, what He produces are evidence of His purpose?

Yes to all three. All life forms are evolved from bacteria. If your God exists, he did it possibly by direct design, possibly through inventing a free-for-all process. What he produced through evolution was a vast variety of life forms, the latest of which is humans, but the vast majority of which had no connection with humans. Therefore what he produced must have had some purpose other than the production of humans, unless he was experimenting to find the combination he was looking for.

dhw: I have no objection to the theory that humans might have been his eventual goal. I only object to your illogical theory that he designed every single life form as part of that goal, even though the vast majority of life forms had no connection with that goal.

DAVID: And you ignore the obvious need for a huge food supply for the current huge human population, fueled by intricate ecosystems populated by the branched diversity created by God's evolution.

Yet another repeat of another of your irrelevant dodges. Yes, we need a huge food supply. So did the vast variety of extinct life forms that had no connection with humans. Yet again, in your own words: “The current bush of food is NOW for humans NOW. There were smaller bushes in the PAST for PAST forms”, and “Extinct life has no role in current time”.

DAVID: Do you ever consider all the ramifications of God's planned designed evolution? To me a beautifully thought through example of planning, all from the evidence at hand.

Do you ever consider all the ramifications of your God’s beautifully planned free-for-all, with its vast variety of life forms and all its unpredictable twists and turns, comings and goings, and almost infinite potentials (including those of humans), all “from the evidence at hand”?

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