Let's study ID: giraffe plumbing (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Tuesday, September 21, 2021, 15:12 (31 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: Nobody knows how evolution works anyway, and that is why we can only offer theories.But of course the “plumbing” would have changed as the neck length changed – otherwise the pre-giraffe would not have survived. If 3.8 billion years ago your God could provide the first cells with a programme to be passed on for the future lengthening and plumbing (along with every other evolutionary change plus lifestyle plus strategy), or if he stepped in to perform the complete operation on a few sleeping pre-giraffes (as you think he did with every other unprogrammed evolutionary change plus lifestyle plus strategy), then why couldn’t he have given the respective cell communities the wherewithal (intelligence and flexibility) to cooperate in doing the same?

DAVID: I have presented a very complex plumbing problem for the long giraffe neck that required very many coordinated biological alterations, all which must be acquired simultaneously.

dhw: And I have agreed.

DAVID: And your platitudinous response is smart cells can do it, if God gave them the ability. So your real answer is God is required!!!!

dhw: Thank you for “platitudinous”. A platitude is something that is so obviously true that it’s not worth stating.

I was referring to your constant smart cell mantra that becomes your platitude over time.

dhw: I did not say “if God gave them the ability”. I am tackling your theory of evolution from a theistic perspective, because you are a theist. If you believe your God is capable of drawing up a 3.8-billion-year-old programme for every single evolutionary change and strategy and lifestyle for the whole of life’s history, or that he keeps popping in to perform operations and deliver instructions for every single one, why can’t you believe he is capable of designing “smart cells” that can do their own designing?

However, you know very well that I accept the logic of the design argument, which is one reason why I remain an agnostic, as opposed to being an atheist.


Still championing second-hand designing.


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