Let's study ID (Introduction)

by dhw, Monday, September 13, 2021, 12:15 (338 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: You have left out the key question: if his only purpose was to design us, why did his design of us include countless extinct life forms THAT HAD NO CONNECTION WITH US?

DAVID: It is not a dodge if you can accept, as I do, that God chose to evolve us from bacteria. You dodge that concept constantly.

dhw: For the thousandth time, if God exists, he chose to evolve ALL life forms (including humans) from bacteria. But that does not mean his only purpose was humans, or that he specially designed every single life form. You have no idea why, if his only purpose was humans, he “evolved” [= specially designed] all the life forms that had no connection with humans, and so you tell me to ask God.

DAVID: Good idea to ask God. I'm not desperate, only your constant badgering seems to be. Our consciousness is so unusual God must exist and we were His goal in His designed evolution. Sorry it is so obvious to me and a black box to you.

We are not debating the existence of God here. In case you’ve forgotten – as you seem to do every day! – the subject is the bolded question above.

DAVID: All of evolution connects humans to the whole process since we are the current endpoint, running the Earth.

How do all the extinct life forms that had no connection with humans become connected to humans?

DAVID: It all depends upon one's vision of an all-powerful God. We differ in our views, a difference that cannot be solved. Since we have no solid proofs, God's personality must be deduced from His works by each person who thinks about it.

The all-powerful personality you’ve come up with is one who has a single purpose, but when we think about his works, we find that the vast majority of them are extinct and had no connection with the single purpose you attribute to him. You find your own view so incomprehensible that you tell me to go and ask God to explain it.

DAVID: And you ignore the obvious need for a huge food supply for the current huge human population […]

dhw: […] Yet again, in your own words: “The current bush of food is NOW for humans NOW. There were smaller bushes in the PAST for PAST forms”, and “Extinct life has no role in current time”.

DAVID: Perfectly logical statements allowing for the continuum of the evolutionary process over time. Your dodge is to chop it up as if unrelated.

The continuum of the evolutionary process involves the bush of life constantly expanding into new branches, the vast majority of which had no connection with humans. Hence your perfectly logical statement that extinct life has no role in current time.

DAVID: A free-for-all control of evolution could only accidently produce humans.

It is possible that every species is indeed “accidental”. That’s one theory. But nothing is “accidental” if you accept the theory that intelligent cells do their own designing. And another alternative is that – if God exists – he created a free-for-all, but left himself the option to dabble when he felt like it.

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