Let's study ID (Introduction)

by dhw, Tuesday, September 14, 2021, 10:48 (955 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: You have left out the key question: if his only purpose was to design us, why did his design of us include countless extinct life forms THAT HAD NO CONNECTION WITH US?

DAVID: […] Our consciousness is so unusual God must exist and we were His goal in His designed evolution. Sorry it is so obvious to me and a black box to you.

dhw: We are not debating the existence of God here. In case you’ve forgotten – as you seem to do every day! – the subject is the bolded question above.

DAVID: That is you persistent constant badger that is illogical and makes no sense to me.

It is your own bolded theory that makes no sense to you, which is why you tell me to ask God to answer the bolded question.

DAVID: All of evolution connects humans to the whole process since we are the current endpoint, running the Earth.

dhw: How do all the extinct life forms that had no connection with humans become connected to humans?

DAVID: Through the continuity of the stepwise evolutionary process with each earlier design leading to the next more advanced design.

But there have been stepwise evolutionary processes with each design leading to new designs that have no connection with humans. Hence the bolded question, and your reply that I should ask God. Stop dodging!

DAVID: And you ignore the obvious need for a huge food supply for the current huge human population […]

dhw: […] Yet again, in your own words: “The current bush of food is NOW for humans NOW. There were smaller bushes in the PAST for PAST forms”, and “Extinct life has no role in current time”.[/b]

DAVID: Perfectly logical statements allowing for the continuum of the evolutionary process over time. Your dodge is to chop it up as if unrelated.

dhw: The continuum of the evolutionary process involves the bush of life constantly expanding into new branches, the vast majority of which had no connection with humans. Hence your perfectly logical statement that extinct life has no role in current time.

DAVID: Thank you.

Why are you thanking me? If extinct life and food have no role in current life, and had no connection with humans, it is clearly absurd to claim that extinct life and food were part of your God’s one and only goal to create humans and their food (= current life).

DAVID: A free-for-all control of evolution could only accidently produce humans.

dhw: It is possible that every species is indeed “accidental”. That’s one theory. But nothing is “accidental” if you accept the theory that intelligent cells do their own designing. And another alternative is that – if God exists – he created a free-for-all, but left himself the option to dabble when he felt like it.

DAVID: Back to a God not in complete control.

Yes of course. If God decided NOT to control evolution, he was not in complete control. You have understood the meaning of “free-for-all”.