Let's study ID: giraffe plumbing (Introduction)

by David Turell , Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 15:07 (926 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: But He didn't!!! Accept the history God created.

dhw: It is you who refuse to accept the history! You insist that your God's only purpose was to create us and our food, but although he could have created humans and their food directly, he chose instead to directly design countless other life forms and foods that had no connection with humans and our food. Obvious conclusion: either we were NOT his only purpose, or he had to learn how to get what he wanted, or he did not directly design the countless other life forms.

It is you, who doesn't believe in God, who invents the problem. You are applying human reasons for His delayed choice. My God can do exactly what He wants when He wants. You obviously cannot understand the God I believe in.

Immunity system complexity
QUOTES: “The only limiting thing here is our understanding of how the RNA is controlled by various regulatory programs within the cell.”

"Using high-precision experiments, mathematical modeling, and artificial intelligence, Kinney aims to clarify these mysteries at the level of molecular biophysics— how the spliceosome reads the RNA sequence and makes its cutting decisions.”

DAVID: The obvious inference is that they are looking for tightly controlled processes, like all the cellular ones found so far.

dhw: Of course they are, but they don’t know the source of control, i.e. how the cells take their decisions. That is what Kinney calls the “mysteries”.

The information for the standard cell production of antibodies is in the genome, and as yet a mystery.

DAVID: Yes we do, the discussed editing system I presented.

dhw: The editing process is what we know. According to the article, we do not know what it is that makes the editorial decisions. That’s what they aim to find out. Whether the “level of molecular biophysics” will provide a complete answer we shall have to wait and see.

DAVID: Please read what I write: Antibody creation is always the same automatic process: recognize the invader and add the same killer or modifier proteins. Non-self: if its not me it is foreign. All automatic as presented in medical text books.

dhw: I have just said that you are describing the general process (bolded), and so you merely repeat the general process, shove in the word “automatic” (as if recognition itself was not an act of cognition) and leave out the question of how cells produce a NEW antibody without thought.

That is what automatic means!!!

dhw: Please tell us precisely what these “instructions” consist of, if they are not as I have described above. And if they already give the complete “recipe” (= “preprogrammed”) for the new antibody, what exactly is added to the library?

DAVID: A new antibody is automatically made as described above and added to the library.

dhw: Thank you. The library does not already contain the new antibodies (so they are not programmed – see bold above). A new antibody is different from former antibodies, so how can it be made "automatically", i.e. without thought?

Repeat: By automatically adding killer or modifying proteins to the invader antigen.

DAVID: The immune cells always follow the same instructions to make antibodies, no variation except the finished product is new because each new invader is different. Thus a library is built for future reference if the new invader returns as they do.

dhw: Thank you again. Exactly as I have described […]: Your God apparently says: “Recognize the invader and make new antibodies.” That's all. There is no variation in the PROCESS but, hallelujah, the PRODUCT is new, and is added to the library. You say your God does not intervene, the "recipe" must be new or it wouldn't be added to the library, and so how do the cells work out what is required to construct the NEW antibody to fight the NEW invader if they can’t think?

Because like all cell processes, the output of required product never changes. You eat and your stomach cells produce acid, automatically, every meal!!! Immune cells work the same way!!! Accept it, even if you want cells to think to fit your pet theories. Kinney (above) is looking for what I describe. Many of my 'design entries' here is the result he is looking for: how the molecules do it.