Let's study ID: giraffe plumbing (Introduction)

by David Turell , Sunday, October 10, 2021, 16:25 (1138 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Same response: God started all life from no precursors.

dhw: Of course the very first life would by definition have had no precursors!

Thanks!!! God can create from no precursors, can't He?

DAVID: The Cambrian is just another example of His powers. Yes we see discontinuity.

dhw: Just over a week ago, you wrote: “Designed Evolution means we are directly connected to bacteria by progressive designed stages.” But now: “The Cambrian start all of our current phyla” (which must include humans), and there are no precursors. You can’t have it both ways!

Why not? Life's origin and the Cambrian show God's powers. Outside of these two events my designed evolution fits.

Immunity system complexity

DAVID: The inflammatory reaction is a standard body response to all insults, and is taught in the first day of med school pathology classes. Immune cells appear immediately, recognize non-self and begin automatic responses. Pus is purpose.

dhw: Yes, the inflammation is automatic. Why have you left out the conscious recognition of the splinter and the conscious use of the tweezer?

That is at your brain level. The point I was trying to make is inflammation is the same automatic reaction to all invasion whether you react or your cells do.

DAVID: If the production of antibodies always follows the same biochemical process and uses the same killer syz's, it is always automatic. What they add to kill or neutralize is always the same.
They know non-self and they know the answer before using it.

dhw: How can the immune system already “know” the answer to a problem it has never seen before?

DAVID: They know non-self!!!

dhw: Of course they do. Recognizing the non-self (splinter) is itself a conscious act of cognition, but it doesn’t provide the answer to the problem!

Don't you read my answers? Immune cells recognize non-self and make killer or modifying proteins attached to the foreign antigens; the same answers always are under standard instructions. See new entry today about RNA science for vaccinations and corrections of errors.

DAVID: Immune cells recognize foreign substances (non-self). Antibody response is always to kill or alter the invader by adding the same proteins to proteins in the invader. The library is used only for repeat invaders. Responses to new invaders simply add to the library.

dhw: You are merely repeating what I keep saying to you! Same process, but matching protein to protein is the addition to the library, and this accumulates throughout life. Each new invader requires a new antibody, and since your God does not intervene, the recognition and the production of the new antibody can only take place through autonomous thought.

The response is programmed and always the same, no thought required.

DAVID: B and T cells are born with the instructions to make antibodies when stimulated by recognition of foreign proteins.

dhw: The “instructions” are the process. Once again: your God did not issue cells with instructions on how to produce every new antibody in anticipation of every new invader throughout life’s history. Hence the need for autonomous thought.

The response is always the same for every invasion: inflammation and the same antibodies added to all different foreign protein. My agenda is not to fool you but to teach you and you refuse to understand the facts. See the new entry.