Let's study ID: giraffe plumbing (Introduction)

by dhw, Wednesday, October 06, 2021, 08:58 (18 days ago) @ David Turell

Yesterday, I repeated a four-point theory concerning the “gap” between species.

dhw: I suggest that the above combination of factors is at least as feasible as the theory that your God either preprogrammed or dabbled every single innovation - not just the Cambrian - and that he did so with the sole purpose of producing humans plus their food).

DAVID: A sole purpose is not the same as a final goal.

Back we go. According to you, all life forms and foods were “part of the goal of evolving [=designing] humans” and their food. So please, yet again, tell us what other goals you think your God had for designing life.

DAVID: Your hopeful theories about the gap does not get rid of its current unexplained state.

If we had a definitive explanation, we would not need to theorize. Your own “hopeful theories about the gap” do not “get rid of its current unexplained state”. Perhaps you could now explain any logical flaws you find in the argument.

Immunity system complexity
DAVID: Making new antibodies is always the same process no matter who or what invades.

dhw: I have just stated [...] that the process is the same! It’s the details that change.

DAVID: Automatically by the cells singular process.

So you agree that the details change. Thank you.

DAVID: What is beyond you is the system to make antibodies works automatically by recognizing non-self and adding always the same killer proteins to the non-self. No extra details required.

First you agree that the details change, but they do so automatically, and now you say no extra details are required. So when a new invader arrives, you think the immune system produces exactly the same antibody as for every previous invader!

dhw: Why do you think people fall ill or even die before the process produces the new antibodies to fight off the new invaders?

DAVID: Every person has an immune system, but some are very weak with poor and therefore deadly responses.

In other words, they fail to produce the new antibody which is required to fight off the new invader.

dhw: In your own words, referring to a baby: “The rest of his life his cells are able to make an entire library of antibodies to all that come along.” You have agreed that the cells make the library without "instructions" from your God, in which case they must autonomously compile each volume as and when it is needed.

DAVID: Your fertile mind distorts what I tell you constantly as the bold. The cells follow God's instructions to automatically make appropriate antibodies for each new non-self invader. One set of simple instructions. No reference library needed, but created for future reuse. Immune cells can build their own memory.

So now you agree that extra details (appropriate antibodies) are required, but although from birth onwards the cells build their own memory and are able to make a library of antibodies, there are no new volumes to add, because all we need is God to say: “Make appropriate antibodies for this new invader”. (Or can you tell us what other instructions he delivers without dabbling?) The cells automatically know exactly how to make the new antibody because no extra details are required beyond those it already has in the library which it builds up from birth onwards, as and when it creates new (but exactly the same) antibodies to fight off new invaders.

DAVID: You obviously don't believe my explanations of the immune system.

No, I don’t. I find them full of contradictions.


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