Let's study ID: giraffe plumbing (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Tuesday, October 19, 2021, 19:24 (46 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: The connection is the giant food supply for all. Life needs a constant input of energy. Accept it and stop your dodge of ignoring it.

dhw: Nobody in his right mind would disagree that all life forms need energy. The disagreement is over your insistence that all life forms and all foods were part of your God’s one and only goal of designing humans and our food, although the vast majority had no evolutionary connection with humans. You don’t even have all of them descending from bacteria now, as you once claimed, since you insist that we are descended from life forms that had no precursors.

There is a line of evolution to humans, and many branches for necessary food, that you agree we all need. The Cambrian shows no direct precursors, but a giant leap in forms and functions. Have you abandoned poor Darwin who complained about the gap in form?


dhw: […] what is “weak” about enjoying creation, experimenting, getting new ideas, deliberately creating an ever changing spectacle? Why are these activities more “humanized” than your version of a God who creates a system he can’t control, though he tried – often in vain – to correct the errors in his design?

DAVID: My God doesn't wander around like your clueless version. "Far from in full control" doesn't understand how living biochemistry works almost flawlessly. For you the problem is errors stand out as total objections to God existing.

dhw: Your usual scurrilous attempt to defend your illogicality by pretending that my theistic explanations are somehow meant to deny the existence of God. And there is nothing “clueless” or “namby-pamby” or “weak” about the God described in my comment above.

It doesn't fit the all powerful God described yesterday :" "For both Jews and Christians, here is the situation: We believe in an omnipotent, infinite God, and modern astronomical discoveries have confirmed that we inhabit a majestic universe befitting just such a creator. The psalmist got it right 3,000 years ago: “The heavens declare the glory of God” (Psalm 19:1)." (my bold)


Immunity system complexity
DAVID: That cognizance is automatic is what I was taught.[…]

dhw: […] If you don’t know the meaning of the words you use, then please don’t blame me. You will never ever find any dictionary that defines “cognizance” as being in any way automatic. It entails conscious understanding.

DAVID: And it comes from the same source as recognize, which is a term we use in biology/medicine that cells can automatically recognize non-self as a built in ability.

dhw: A built-in ability is what facilitates the awareness that underlies recognition and invention. The built-in ability is what we might call conscious intelligence, which enables life forms to recognize things inside and outside themselves and to take decisions on how to deal with them. Please stop inserting the word “automatically” as if somehow biologists and medics had all discovered the source of the cell’s ability to recognize, adjust, make decisions etc.

We who believe we know biochemistry see the automaticity in the protein reactions.


DAVID: I follow my teaching, God not discussed in med school

dhw: Precisely. Your teachers did not identify your God as the unknown source, so please stop pretending that they all knew the source of the ability.

biochemical professors preach automaticity.


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