Let's study ID: giraffe plumbing (Introduction)

by David Turell , Friday, October 01, 2021, 14:46 (1149 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: The Grand Canyon is just a geology example. The true gap is bolded above in my comment. It is the key point you continue avoid and talk around.

When I say I accept the gaps, and then try to explain them as being due to a possible absence of fossils and also to a misconception of “suddenness” (i.e. there is plenty of time for new phyla to evolve during the Cambrian), I am not avoiding or talking round the subject of the gaps. As regards “suddenness”, I keep asking you how many million years you regard as being the “start” of the Cambrian, because even one million years is a huge period of time – ample for the development of new species once you accept the principle that organisms can change in response to different environments.

It is not years of geology!!! When they look at the layers the early Cambrians are suddenly there on both sides of the demarcation. The gap is in the massive jump in forms. This is what you avoid discussing.

DAVID: The large changes show new complex designs. That is my point abut gaps.

dhw: And I don’t dispute it. You think your God popped in to dabble the changes, and I suggest that intelligent communities may have designed the changes themselves.

Creating the gaps in form?

dhw: So why do you say “cells only potential is to do their assigned jobs” if your God uses the same cells to perform different jobs?

DAVID: Same cells do many things, others just one, all assigned.

dhw: Same problem: you have your God preprogramming, manipulating or instructing cells to change, and I suggest that if he exists, he gave them the power to change themselves. Either way, they clearly have potential to do different jobs.

God did not give cells the power to change their form or functions. Some cells may have more than one assigned function.

Immunity system complexity
DAVID: Immunity appeared during evolution, or there would not have been any evolution. The immune cells have all the instructions they need to meet new invaders.

dhw: […] Please tell us what form these instructions take – a 3.8-billion-year-old library to choose from, or direct dabbling?

DAVID: A baby starts without its own personal antibodies, just those in Mother's colostrum and some general God-given ones. The rest of his life his cells are able to make an entire library of antibodies to all that come along with exceptions like HIV which destroy the ability. From evolution of sapiens, their cells followed fixed instructions to accomplish the tasks. Covid 19 was no unanswerable surprise. The system is more recent in designed evolution than 3.8 byo, and not dabbled based on our knowledge of homo precursors. (dhw’s bolds)

dhw: So if the cells have the ABILITY to create their own library as and when new invaders appear, what “fixed instructions” do they follow? You have now dispensed with a 3.8-billion-year-old programme AND with dabbling. Please answer, or please acknowledge that the cells’ ABILITY to create new antibodies in response to new invasions means that they function autonomously, as opposed to following instructions.

DAVID: The cells have one set of instructions to recognize every new invader and devise antibodies to fit that invader. No thought involved.

dhw: But if he didn’t preprogramme them 3.8 billion years ago, and he doesn’t dabble, when and how does he pass each new set of instructions on to the cells?

At some point in evolution immune cells were created in multicellular organisms to act as I have described.