Let's study ID: giraffe plumbing: cognition (Introduction)

by dhw, Wednesday, November 03, 2021, 10:16 (31 days ago) @ David Turell

Common design
dhw: Here we go again.How do all the foods of the past “support” food for humans in the present? How did all the life forms of the past that had no connection with humans form “part of the goal of evolving [= designing] humans” and their food?

DAVID: Accept it. A connected evolution process happened from bacteria to humans.

I am perfectly happy to accept it. It is you (see below) who firstly have cast doubt on it with your theory that your God designed new forms that had no precursors, and we humans are descended from them – and therefore not in a "connected" evolutionary process from bacteria. Secondly, of course, you continue to ignore the bolded questions concerning all the life forms and foods that had no connection with humans.

dhw: The gap is caused by the apparently sudden appearance of NEW FORMS. As you rightly say, evolution (speciation) is change in form, not in biochemical processes. And so your theory that your God created new FORMS with no predecessors, and that we are descended from those forms, can only mean that our species (= form) is NOT descended from bacteria.

DAVID: Strange conclusion. Real story. Bacteria are the start of life. We are alive using the same living processes.

No disagreement there, but our subject is the “gaps” in evolution’s history! You have simply ignored the above point that if we all use the same “living processes”, clearly evolution concerns changes of FORM. And you keep telling us that your God produced changes of FORM that had no precursors, and humans are descended from them.

dhw: Of course the argument against this is that we ARE descended from bacteria, and the Cambrian gap is not due to God popping in to start a brand new array of forms, but to a lack of fossils and/or the ability of intelligent cells to make major as well as minor jumps in response to changing conditions.

DAVID: The Edicaran and Cambrian layers are carefully explored in China: no form precursors!!!

No known precursors, possibly explained by lack of fossils and/or the ability of intelligent cells to make major jumps. Why do you ignore the point we are discussing? And see above for the implication of our descent from species with no known precursors.

DAVID: Both Dawkins and I anticipate more explanation to support our theories. As theories we will change them if new findings correct us.

dhw: Exactly. So the two of you go on hammering out your conclusions drawn from inadequate evidence, and slagging each other off as if your conclusions were already scientifically proven, whereas you can only hope that you will be proved right. Such hopes colour your thinking and replace science with faith.

DAVID: Faith in science finding answers is OK for me. I'll alter theory with new discoveries.

I don’t have a problem with science finding answers! I am simply pointing out that both you and Dawkins have come up with diametrically opposite, unproven conclusions, and you both dismiss any alternatives because your minds are closed.

DAVID: I don't care what Dawkins thinks. He is only worth ignoring.

dhw: He would say the same about you. Unscientific pots and kettles, the two of you.

DAVID: You do understand theories change as new findings indicate it?

Yes, I do. And that is why I find both of you equally blinkered, since you both adhere to unproven theories and sneer at each other for adhering to unproven theories.

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