Let's study ID: giraffe plumbing (Introduction)

by David Turell , Wednesday, October 06, 2021, 15:36 (923 days ago) @ dhw

Yesterday, I repeated a four-point theory concerning the “gap” between species.

dhw: I suggest that the above combination of factors is at least as feasible as the theory that your God either preprogrammed or dabbled every single innovation - not just the Cambrian - and that he did so with the sole purpose of producing humans plus their food).

DAVID: A sole purpose is not the same as a final goal.

dhw: Back we go. According to you, all life forms and foods were “part of the goal of evolving [=designing] humans” and their food. So please, yet again, tell us what other goals you think your God had for designing life.

We have covered all of the possible reasons God wanted to produce life that recognized He existed. No need to repeat the guesswork as you have the facility to quote the guesses.

DAVID: Your hopeful theories about the gap does not get rid of its current unexplained state.

dhw: If we had a definitive explanation, we would not need to theorize. Your own “hopeful theories about the gap” do not “get rid of its current unexplained state”. Perhaps you could now explain any logical flaws you find in the argument.

All your guesses about the reasons for the gap are all in the negative.

Immunity system complexity

DAVID: What is beyond you is the system to make antibodies works automatically by recognizing non-self and adding always the same killer proteins to the non-self. No extra details required.

dhw: First you agree that the details change, but they do so automatically, and now you say no extra details are required. So when a new invader arrives, you think the immune system produces exactly the same antibody as for every previous invader!

No, each new antibody is conformed to attack the new invader recognizing the invader as such.

dhw: Why do you think people fall ill or even die before the process produces the new antibodies to fight off the new invaders?

DAVID: Every person has an immune system, but some are very weak with poor and therefore deadly responses.

dhw: In other words, they fail to produce the new antibody which is required to fight off the new invader.

You are so negative in your responses. No 'fail'. Weak response!!!! Poor new antibody levels.!!!!

DAVID: Your fertile mind distorts what I tell you constantly as the bold. The cells follow God's instructions to automatically make appropriate antibodies for each new non-self invader. One set of simple instructions. No reference library needed, but created for future reuse. Immune cells can build their own memory.

dhw: So now you agree that extra details (appropriate antibodies) are required, but although from birth onwards the cells build their own memory and are able to make a library of antibodies, there are no new volumes to add, because all we need is God to say: “Make appropriate antibodies for this new invader”. (Or can you tell us what other instructions he delivers without dabbling?) The cells automatically know exactly how to make the new antibody because no extra details are required beyond those it already has in the library which it builds up from birth onwards, as and when it creates new (but exactly the same) antibodies to fight off new invaders.

DAVID: You obviously don't believe my explanations of the immune system.

dhw: No, I don’t. I find them full of contradictions.

Comment: I'll try again as you totally misunderstand: foreign invader supplies its own proteins to study. The cell recognizes them and adds killer proteins to a subset of the invader's makeup. Each antibody is therefore new and added to the library for future reference. Or read it on your own and learn.