Let's study ID (Introduction)

by dhw, Monday, September 06, 2021, 09:01 (1172 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: We both accept that if God exists, he chose to evolve (by which you mean design) ALL life forms from bacteria. I’m delighted to hear that you have a logical answer to my question, so I will ask it once more and wait for your answer:if your God’s one and only purpose was to evolve [design] humans and their food, why did he evolve [=design] countless forms of life and food which had no connection with humans?

DAVID: Logically because He chose to do so by designing an evolutionary process starting from bacteria. Your bold again implies why didn't He go straightaway to making humans. The sticking point is your discomfort with the concept of our exceptionality, the core of Adler's argument, and is part basis of my logical reasoning.

dhw: That is NOT the sticking point. The sticking point is the bolded question, which you are now dodging by switching the subject to man’s exceptionality.

DAVID: Our exceptionality is why I say humans were God's goal. Your bold has only one meaning to me, why not direct creation, all covered before. And my answer is the same, God chooses to evolve His creations as history shows. Frankly I don't understand your problem.

That IS the problem. I understand why you think we were God’s goal. The theory of experimentation allows for that. We know that he DIDN’T create us directly, and so I ask why, if his one and only goal was to design humans plus food, he first of all designed countless life forms plus foods that had no connection with humans. One or other of your two premises makes the combination illogical, and yet you believe “His logic is like ours.” […]

DAVID: Ask Him. I don't know why He chose the methods He used.

dhw: Thank you for yet again agreeing that you have no idea why he would choose the method YOU ascribe to him (creating humans plus their food by creating life forms plus their food that are unconnected with humans). Would you now please take the next step and agree that if you have no idea why, then it is possible that your theory is wrong.

DAVID: Yes, His logic must be similar to ours. History tells us God evolves His creations, His choice, which I accept, and you want me to read God's mind. I can only study His methods.

You have tried to read his mind, and you have concluded that his one and only purpose in creating life was to create humans plus their food, and his method was to create countless life forms and foods that had no connection with humans. That is illogical, and so you invite me to ask God to explain your illogical theory!