Let's study ID (Introduction)

by dhw, Friday, September 03, 2021, 10:41 (959 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: You refuse to follow my reasoning: God, in charge, designed humans starting with bacteria (Archaea) and designed each subsequent more complex stage until current humans were formed. This looks like what we call evolution with common descent.

dhw: So far, so good.

DAVID: Each huge bush is necessary food supply, smaller in size earlier and very large now to accommodate the population now.

dhw: In your theory, each huge bush was necessary for the countless OTHER past life forms which he designed while designing the one line from bacteria to humans, and the question which you continue to ignore (because you know you can’t answer it) is: why did he specially design all the OTHER past life forms and food bushes that had no connection with humans if humans were his one and only purpose?

DAVID: Same nutty argument. Why do you switch gears from your agreement above? Evolution from bacteria can only work in one way, one stage at a time, and food supply is necessary all along the way.

Correct, but that applies to EVERY LIFE FORM THAT EVER LIVED. And that leads to the bolded question above, which once more you attempt to dodge.

DAVID: You simply suggest God should have gone straight away and made humans. That is obviously what you suggest by your illogical questions.

dhw: (Made humans plus their food.) If your theory is correct, then of course he should! And according to the Bible that’s what he did. But – assuming he even exists – evolution shows that he didn’t, and that’s why Darwin’s theory caused such an uproar and why you have to keep dodging the bolded question above. You can’t find an answer, which clearly suggests that there is something wrong with your theory. Maybe he DIDN’T design all the other life forms. Or maybe his one and only purpose was not to design humans.

DAVID: You are stuck with my theology: in my view God ran evolution by design, creating a pattern we interpret as common descent.

If God exists, then of course he designed the mechanisms for evolution. That does not mean he directly designed every life form plus food supply.

DAVID: And His purpose was to finally create us by that process.

Hence your claim that every life form was “part of the goal of evolving [=designing] humans” and their food. But that leaves the bolded question unanswered.

DAVID: It is my firm belief. That He prefers to create by evolving each stage is obvious. His only direct creations are the BB and starting life. The bold is a statement about evolution that denies my theology. You have every right to your opinion. You are not dodging and neither am I.

I am not denying evolution!!! I am asking one simple question concerning your interpretation of why and how your God “ran evolution”, and all you do is dodge that question. And so I will repeat it: why do you think your God specially designed all the life forms and food supplies that had no connection with humans if his one and only goal was to design humans?