Let's study ID (Introduction)

by dhw, Saturday, August 21, 2021, 13:08 (1188 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Why don't you recognize evolution has a past, a present, and perhaps a future? We are discussing the useful presence of current branches that feed all living forms.

dhw: It is YOU who keep trying to dodge the past! There is no dispute over the fact that current branches feed current forms. The dispute, which you continue to gloss over, concerns your claim that ALL forms of life and food, extant and extinct, were specially designed by your God in order to fulfil his one and only goal of designing humans and their food, although the vast majority of past life forms and foods had no connection with humans and their food.

DAVID: The past created the future by God's designs. That is my firm belief, but not yours. So be it.

What do you mean by “the past created the future”? According to you, your God’s one and only purpose was to design (create) sapiens and his food, but he designed (created) countless life forms and foods in the past which had no connection with present sapiens and his food. Please stop this endless dodging.

DAVID: You distort God's goal as singular. Humans are/were the planned endpoint. In my view evolution has ended. The current bush is the final bush.

dhw: It is YOU who have constantly claimed that God’s goal is singular! And you claim that all life forms etc. were/are “part of the goal of evolving [= designing] humans” and their food. That is the nub of the whole endless dispute. How can they possibly have been part of that one goal if the vast majority of them had no connection with humans?

DAVID: Endless strange interpretation. You set goals and reach them. I set goals and reach them. So does God. All of us accomplish lots of necessary things/events along the way, all a continuous journey from start to finish. Only you wan to to chop it into segments so nothing is related. Strange.

More obfuscation. Since you now want to compare God’s pursuit of his goal(s) to our human pursuit (yippee for your “humanization”!), supposing I tell you that my one and only goal is to write a book about agnosticism and I then proceed to write twenty books about gardening, wouldn’t you find that “strange”? According to you, your God’s one and only goal was to design humans plus food, and so he proceeded to design countless forms of life and food that had no connection with humans plus food. Don’t you find that “strange”?