Let's study ID: giraffe plumbing: cognition (Introduction)

by dhw, Friday, November 05, 2021, 11:20 (1112 days ago) @ David Turell

Common design
dhw: […] the gaps according to you are caused by your God designing new life forms without precursors, and we are descended from those life forms. Evolution, you tell us, entails changes of form, not changes in the biochemical processes that enable all organisms to live. If all this is so, we are not descended from bacteria but from what were then brand new species without precursors.

DAVID: Right!!! God speciates forms He wants with no direct precursors in the Cambrian.

And so we are not descended from bacteria, and God is perfectly capable of directly creating whatever species he wants.

dhw: So if he could start brand new species from scratch, and only wanted to design us plus our food, why bother with the whole great bush? Your answer: No idea. Go and ask God.

DAVID: God knew life needs food. The bush feeds all. My 'no idea', which so concerns you, is not that my mind is blank, but I don't know, and cannot know, why God chose to evolve us. Logical!!!

There are really two questions here. First, if he can create species directly, as you say, why didn’t he do so with the only species he wanted? Second, why would he have created all the life forms and foods that had no connection with humans? Your answer is that you don’t know, and so that makes it logical!!! No it doesn’t, and that is why I question your theories. If they are not logical (and yet your God’s logic is like ours), maybe they are WRONG! And herewith a truly magnificent example of the mystery you can’t explain:

sponges
DAVID: Darwinist scientists abhor gaps in form, whether in cell types or body forms, since Darwin proposed evolution was in tiny steps. If evolution is formed by design there is no need for precursors.

Thank you. If God’s only purpose was humans plus food, there was no need for precursors, so why did he bother designing all the precursors, and why did he bother to design all the precursors of all the life forms that had no connection with humans? You have answered me. You don’t know. But apparently that makes your theory logical!

The gaps just get bigger

dhw: ...you and the authors have paid no attention whatever to the theory that intelligent cells might be responsible for the major jumps as well as minor adaptations. The time scale then becomes irrelevant – as it would be if your God did a dabble.

DAVID: See today's Cambrian entry. More missing fossils found, C-Gap the same.

I am not denying the gap! I have put forward two possible explanations.

Fungus controls male flies
dhw: The whole process suggests that there is cellular intelligence at work. I’m not sure why your God would specifically want to provide the first living cells with a programme for fungi to control male flies, or why he would pop in to give the fungi instructions – especially since his only goal was apparently to design humans and their food - but rest assured, I do not expect an answer.

DAVID: But you know the answer: all part of necessary vital ecosystems.

Necessary to keep alive all the life forms that had no connection with humans, although all he wanted was humans and their food, and he was perfectly capable of designing them without any precursors. Just stop pretending your theory is logical, stick to your confession that you have no idea why your God would have proceeded in such an illogical manner, and we can end this discussion once and for all.