Let's study ID (Introduction)

by dhw, Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 12:42 (1191 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: You have decided to make my concept of God as singularly tunnel-visioned. It is a total distortion of my view of God. God works by evolving His goals as His works show, and I have previously demonstrated.

dhw: Once again you use plural goals, whereas your theory has always been that every life form was “part of the goal of evolving [= designing] humans” and their food. For those who believe in God and who also believe in the theory of evolution, of course his works show that he used evolution for his goals. How does that come to mean that his one and only goal was humans and their food, when the vast majority of his “works” (you say he designed every life form, econiche, lifestyle, natural wonder) had no connection with humans?

DAVID: Your tunnel view is unchanged. God's endpoint is humans, and all is connected by the concept of evolution in which simple leads to complexity in stages, which you separate as non-connected.

I'm not sure how my unanswered questions concerning the logic of your tunnel view can become my tunnel view! “All is connected” by the fact that all life forms descended from the first. But all life forms are not connected with one another, because life branched out into countless different forms, the vast majority of which, by your own admission, had no connection with humans and their food. It is therefore illogical to claim that all life forms were “part of the goal of evolving [by which you mean specially designing] humans” and their food. You have continued to dodge this issue for what seems like years.

DAVID: You sneer at the need for food, why? Many of the current animals and plants serve our needs in many other ways besides food and you should recognize that. No need to list them. Plants serve the same food and other obvious purposes. (dhw's bold)

dhw: Yes, the “current ones”, but as you have said yourself and continue to ignore: “The current bush of food is NOW for humans NOW. There were smaller bushes in the PAST for PAST forms” and “Extinct life has no role in current time”. Please stop pretending that current necessities explain past necessities which had no connection with humans.

DAVID: All connected in the concept of a continuous evolution from simple to complex.

But not “all connected” with your God’s one and only goal of specially designing humans and their food.