Let's study ID (Introduction)

by David Turell , Monday, August 16, 2021, 18:11 (976 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: And once again you gloss over the concept, which you accepted above, that God can do anything He wants. God created the evolutionary history we know. Yes, it branches in all directions, so that is what He wanted on the way to creating humans. That is the exact concept about God you adamantly deny. Your main objection is to the concept of humans as very special and therefore a desired goal. All of this is a very connected theory which you slice into various parts that you illogically claim have no connections. It is all connected by accepting that God's works reflect His intentions.

dhw: Of course if he exists, he can do anything he wants and his works reflect his intentions. My objection is to the fact that if his one and only intention was to create humans and their food, as you claim, it makes no sense that he should also have wanted to create countless branches of life forms that had no connection with humans! Either humans were NOT his one and only intention, or if they were, there has to be a reason for all the countless other forms that had no connection with humans.

You have decided to make my concept of God as singularly tunnel-visioned. It is a total distortion of my view of God. God works by evolving His goals as His works show, and I have previously demonstrated. I view humans as His final goal in creation, giving them control of the Earth. But everything we see on Earth is obviously required and must be created before they arrive in dominance. You sneer at the need for food, why? Many of the current animals and plants serve our needs in many other ways besides food and you should recognize that. No need to list them. Plants serve the same food and other obvious purposes.

dhw: You cannot find any such reason, and so you continue to dodge the issue.

There is no dodge in the statement above. Your objections are illogical inventions by distorting the view of God I have given over the years here. To briefly repeat, I see a very purposeful God who knows what He wants and creates it by evolving it.

DAVID: Evolution is a single long process in time, 3.8 byo it seams With giant gaps, each stage leading to the next more complex stage.

dhw: It is a single long process in which the bush of life has branched out into countless forms undergoing countless stages, the vast majority of which had no connection with humans and their food, which you insist were your God's one and only purpose.

DAVID: Back to your view of a tunnel-visioned God. Humans and the huge bush of food are an historical fact showing God's intentions.

dhw:It is YOUR vision that is tunnelled: God has one purpose, and so he creates forms that are irrelevant to his one purpose. Humans and their food, and countless life forms and their foods are also historical facts, but you have no idea why he would have specially designed all of the latter if his one and only purpose was the former.

Same repeated distortion. God has created what is absolutely required before humans appear.