Let's study ID (Introduction)

by David Turell , Friday, August 13, 2021, 17:39 (985 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: You simply continue to dodge the issue by ignoring what you yourself find inexplicable in your own theory. Once again: no, I am not questioning the FACT that it took 3.8 billion years for humans to appear, whether God engineered it all or not. I am questioning YOUR logic in your theory (NOT a fact) that your all-powerful God’s one and only purpose was to design humans and their food, but he spent 3.8 billion years specially designing countless life forms and foods that had no connection with his one and only purpose of designing humans and their food. It is the logic of YOUR THEORY that I am questioning.

DAVID: What is totally illogical is your constant complaint: I put God in charge and look at the current result and Adler's analysis. You wander off and invent other reasons why God might have evolved us. I accept your reasons if one considers a very humanized God, unsure of Himself, experimenting, enjoying a free-f-or-all, and especially non-purposeful.

dhw: And so yet again you try to dodge the illogical premises bolded above. My alternative theistic theories all explain why there have been so many life forms that have no connection with us. None of them suggest a God without a purpose or even a God who is unsure of himself, but in any case these distorted versions of my alternative theories do not provide an explanation for the sheer illogicality of the bolded theory , which is why you continue to dodge.

Your wandering God theories only fit a very humanized version of God. As usual, you have forgotten we all eat. Without the huge bush humans would be starving. Your narrow vision of facts is confusing you.

DAVID: My view of God is totally different and we cannot narrow the gap. My God is logical for me. I cannot reply to your imagination which runs wild as you try to imagine all sorts of Gods.

dhw: How can your version of your God’s evolution be logical for you if you can’t explain why he would specially design countless life forms that have no connection with humans and their food, although his one and only purpose was to design humans and their food? What is “wild” about a God who experiments, or who has new ideas as he goes along, or who creates a free-for-all because he wants to create a free-for-all, or who watches his creation with interest and therefore may have designed his creation because he wanted something he could watch with interest?

Once again you have created an image of very humanized God. I don't accept that image as reasonable. And as usual you want mean to explain God's choices. It is obvious from facts you well know that every aspect of our reality has appeared through a process of evolution. It is easy to see God prefers to evolve His projects. Look at His works

DAVID: Your wild imagination continues. My belief is based upon the appearance of most unusual humans with consciousness, not by accident. We are unique, and you deny the most logical reason. We are here on purpose, by design.

dhw: Yes, we are unusual, and I have no problem with your design theory. But you claim that every single life form was individually designed, and so every single life form must have been designed on purpose, but you insist that even all those life forms which had no connection with humans were “part of the goal of evolving [= designing] humans” and their food. That doesn’t make sense, and you know it.

With God in charge, knowing exactly what He wants, it all is logical. I'm sorry you are so confused about images of God that fit the evidence from His works.

Denisovan DNA in Southeast Asia

DAVID: Found in Siberia and now everywhere in Asia. Hum an evolution is a large complex bush. To forestall dhw, I have no idea why God wanted so many forms before we conquered all.

dhw: And you have no idea why your God wanted (and specially designed) all the other life forms that had no connection with sapiens. If you have no idea, it means you cannot find any logical reason for what you believe to have been your God’s way of fulfilling what you believe to have been his one and only purpose. Regardless of my alternatives, the fact that you cannot find any logic in your theory ought to alert you to the possibility that your theory might be wrong.

I've shown you God evolves His results. Do you deny that? Why He evolves instead of direct creations is His choice which I accept. I don't need His reasoning, only you do for your own strange logic.