Let's study ID (Introduction)

by David Turell , Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 14:51 (977 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: You have decided to make my concept of God as singularly tunnel-visioned. It is a total distortion of my view of God. God works by evolving His goals as His works show, and I have previously demonstrated.

dhw: Once again you use plural goals, whereas your theory has always been that every life form was “part of the goal of evolving [= designing] humans” and their food. For those who believe in God and who also believe in the theory of evolution, of course his works show that he used evolution for his goals. How does that come to mean that his one and only goal was humans and their food, when the vast majority of his “works” (you say he designed every life form, econiche, lifestyle, natural wonder) had no connection with humans?

Your tunnel view is unchanged. God's endpoint is humans, and all is connected by the concept of evolution in which simple leads to complexity in stages, which you separate as non-connected.

DAVID: You sneer at the need for food, why? Many of the current animals and plants serve our needs in many other ways besides food and you should recognize that. No need to list them. Plants serve the same food and other obvious purposes. (dhw's bold)

dhw: Yes, the “current ones”, but as you have said yourself and continue to ignore: “The current bush of food is NOW for humans NOW. There were smaller bushes in the PAST for PAST forms” and “Extinct life has no role in current time”. Please stop pretending that current necessities explain past necessities which had no connection with humans.

All connected in the concept of a continuous evolution from simple to complex.

dhw: You cannot find any such reason, and so you continue to dodge the issue.

DAVID: There is no dodge in the statement above. Your objections are illogical inventions by distorting the view of God I have given over the years here. To briefly repeat, I see a very purposeful God who knows what He wants and creates it by evolving it.

dhw: If God exists, then that is precisely the God I would see. All of my alternative theories have him knowing what he wants and creating it by means of evolution, and all of them explain what you cannot explain: namely, the past existence of countless life forms that had no connection with humans.

You distort the concept of evolving to create your totally illogical criticism.