Let's study ID (Introduction)

by dhw, Sunday, August 22, 2021, 09:17 (970 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: The past created the future by God's designs. That is my firm belief, but not yours. So be it.

dhw: What do you mean by “the past created the future”? According to you, your God’s one and only purpose was to design (create) sapiens and his food, but he designed (created) countless life forms and foods in the past which had no connection with present sapiens and his food. Please stop this endless dodging.

DAVID: I don't dodge like you do. Your repeated mantra objection above is completely illogical, and is totally based on your very humanized God as the only one you can accept. God created the appearance of common descent by making/designing each new stage from the previous.

How does my very humanized God or your God’s design of every new stage of every life form that ever existed explain why, if his one and only goal was to design humans and their food, he designed every stage of every life form that had no connection with humans and their food? Please stop dodging. I would ask you to explain the logic, but you have already admitted repeatedly that you can’t – though then you go on to tell me that the theory is perfectly logical.

DAVID: Endless strange interpretation. You set goals and reach them. I set goals and reach them. So does God. All of us accomplish lots of necessary things/events along the way, all a continuous journey from start to finish. Only you wan to to chop it into segments so nothing is related. Strange.

dhw: More obfuscation. Since you now want to compare God’s pursuit of his goal(s) to our human pursuit (yippee for your “humanization”!), supposing I tell you that my one and only goal is to write a book about agnosticism and I then proceed to write twenty books about gardening, wouldn’t you find that “strange”? According to you, your God’s one and only goal was to design humans plus food, and so he proceeded to design countless forms of life and food that had no connection with humans plus food. Don’t you find that “strange”?

DAVID: God has goals in that He knows what He wishes to produce.

You say he only has one goal. But of course he knows what he wishes to produce. And according to you, he spends 3.X billion years producing what he does not wish to produce.

DAVID: We are forced to make Him seem human because of the verbiage we are forced to employ in discussing Him. We in no sense ever try to humanize Him as you do.

Your usual non-argument against the logic of my alternative theories. At various times you have him interested in and enjoying his creations, and you insist that he is all good, wants to be in total control, is all-knowing (and therefore never learns or experiments), and you try desperately to avoid the fact that you have stated categorically that he probably has thought patterns and emotions similar to ours, and we mimic him in many ways. And in any case, neither your humanizing nor mine can explain why your all-powerful God would have fulfilled his one and only goal (creating humans plus food) by spending 3.X billion years not fulfilling his one and only goal (specially designing life forms and foods that had no connection with humans). Don't you ever get tired of dodging?