Let's study ID (Introduction)

by David Turell , Monday, August 02, 2021, 16:02 (1207 days ago) @ dhw

The immune system
dhw: The changes take place IN RESPONSE to the new conditions, not in advance of them. And you can apply this process to the whole of evolution, so please stop telling us that design requires knowledge of future needs.

DAVID: […] At our current level of development our immune system recognizes anything new and can respond. Has nothing to do with how does speciation works?

dhw: I propose that the immune system mirrors the process of speciation, whereby the cell communities recognize anything new and RESPOND to the new requirements, as opposed to your God doing a dabble before the new requirements are known. Speciation comes about when changes are made to existing cell structures as they RESPOND to new requirements.

DAVID: That only fits minor modifications within species, not the whale series with major changes in each mew stage.

dhw: It “fits” major modifications theoretically, since each stage in the whale series improves the whale’s chances of survival by creating a more efficient way to cope with the requirements of life in the water. Your version raises the question of why your all-knowing, all-powerful God didn’t perform all the operations straight away, since he knew they would one day be necessary. Your theoretical answer?

God chose to evolve all living things in stages of development, which fits the history.

TOMATOES
DAVID: Can God what He wants or not? Your reply doesn't recognize the type of God I believe in. I don't dodge. I stick to my concept of God hand His abilities. I have always told you your objection is entirely illogical from my viewpoint.

dhw: Of course God – if he exists – can do what he wants. And you simply go on ignoring the totally illogical gap in your theory, which is that all he WANTED was humans and their food, but he designed vast numbers of now extinct life forms, econiches, lifestyles, strategies and natural wonders, the huge majority of which had no connection with humans and their food. And you admit that you have no idea why, and then you return to dodging the whole anomaly.

DAVID: Totally illogical. If God can do what He wants, He can evolve humans from bacteria can't He?

dhw: There you go again, ignoring both my answer (first bold) and the anomaly that makes your theory totally illogical (second bold).

You constantly ignore the error in your illogical complaint. If 'all He wanted was humans', your complaint, that infers He should have directly done just that. But that is not history You are inferring a tunnel-visioned God, who could see nothing but humans. You imagine weird Gods constantly. Thinking of God as having a goal of humans after periods of time is quite reasonable. And you have never denied the observation that approaching eight billion humans requires a huge evolutionary bush of food supply. Any thinking God could see that big brained humans would develop that type of huge population. Do you see your tunnel vision of God?